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  • SharkyForums.Com - Print: nVidia to Buy 3Dfx / 3Dfx to Dissolve...

    nVidia to Buy 3Dfx / 3Dfx to Dissolve...
    By GTaudiophile December 15, 2000, 05:24 PM

    Wow...guess ATI is the only player left...

    http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/001215/ca_3dfx_in.html

    By BuggyLoop December 15, 2000, 05:27 PM

    /sigh

    less competition = expensive piece of hardware.

    By Un4given December 15, 2000, 05:38 PM

    quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
    /sigh

    less competition = expensive piece of hardware.

    Hey BL, you seem to know about the Radeons, what is the default core/memory spec on them?

    By RadeonMAXX December 15, 2000, 05:42 PM

    It's over... http://www.3dfx.com/comp/news/rel-15dec_2.htm thats to confirm it & http://www.nvidia.com/news.nsf/121500faq.html. Nvidia will now own the giga pixel technology...OUCH. Expensive card when that sucker comes out.

    By bpost34 December 15, 2000, 05:45 PM

    God help us all... welcome to $800 video cards...

    quote:Originally posted by GTaudiophile:
    Wow...guess ATI is the only player left...

    http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/001215/ca_3dfx_in.html

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 15, 2000, 05:46 PM

    All that I can say is, "Damn...."

    This is not a good thing, IMO. Then again, it could be good. All Nvidiots would be blasting a Nvidia product when they blast the V5, which is funny.

    By LethalWolfe December 15, 2000, 05:48 PM

    Wow, this is gonna change things. Hopefully ATi can step it up so Nvidia doesn't monopolize vid cards and drive prices thru the roof.

    Lethal

    By Azuth December 15, 2000, 05:50 PM

    OMG! That's big news! Combine the tech of those two companies and their next chips will be awesome! ATI better up their R&D budget if they want to keep up now.

    I doubt it will effect much of what we see for the next year, but after that...

    By bpost34 December 15, 2000, 05:51 PM

    Now Im worried about whats happening to rampage...

    quote:Originally posted by Azuth:
    OMG! That's big news! Combine the tech of those two companies and their next chips will be awesome! ATI better up their R&D budget if they want to keep up now.

    I doubt it will effect much of what we see for the next year, but after that...

    By Wedge December 15, 2000, 05:57 PM

    I hope to god that someone produces rampage.. this sucks so much, Vid card were getting expensive WITH competition, now.. its just really down to ATI and Nvidia I also hope that 3dfx driver support doesn't go down like aureal, because that would REALLY suck.

    By toonzwile December 15, 2000, 06:00 PM

    Heres something to think about...

    now that NV has effectively taken 3dfx out of the race -- nothing is absolute until 3dfx officially dissolves, but its pretty much said 'n' done... so everyone is saying NV will dominate the market.

    Thats 1 potential monopolizer...

    Microsoft has dominated their market, so bad in fact that the US DOJ brought up and won an antitrust case to break up Big M from Redmond, CA.

    Thats 1 postively identified monopolizer...

    Intel has for the greater part of the PC's life dominated the CPU market -- please, i dont mean to say that AMD doesnt have more than their foot in the door because they do -- but AMD still doesnt have the kind of hold on CPU markets that Intel does.

    Thats 1 more industry giant

    So, now, u got Microsoft, Intel, and NV joining up to make a console system... hmmm, wonder where this is going to lead???????

    I just thought its kinda funny --- 3 companies that can be said to have extremely powerful influences and control in the PC realm have joined together to put a joint-foot in the door of the gaming console realm. And with the PS2 already off to a horrible start -- and a seemingly bleek end -- u got Nintendo (the prudes of the market) up against the Big 3. How many ppl wanna bet against the X-Box's success? ... ... dont see any hands... thought so.

    Go Intel! Go NVidia! Go Microsoft! Go X-Box!!!

    (dont worry, im still rooting for the underdogs)

    By BuggyLoop December 15, 2000, 06:00 PM

    all radeon are clocked at 166 mhz except the retail 64ddr vivo

    some were lucky to get the 5.5 ns memory with the 32 ddr before but its rare.

    By Phatman December 15, 2000, 06:01 PM

    Hehe, I wonder what DaveB3D says about this...

    By Un4given December 15, 2000, 06:05 PM

    quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
    all radeon are clocked at 166 mhz except the retail 64ddr vivo

    some were lucky to get the 5.5 ns memory with the 32 ddr before but its rare.

    So if I understand you correctly, the core and memory are clocked synchronously?

    Hmm, if they could get the core/memory up around 200MHz/200MHz (400MHz effective...ala GTS Pro), and get some more of the driver bugs worked out, that would really be a killer card.

    By BuggyLoop December 15, 2000, 06:10 PM

    Well if you have the retail 64ddr vivo its clocked at 183 mhz, i heard its easy to clock it at 200/200

    radeon was first supposed to be 200/200 but ati didnt have the right memory ns for it.

    By toonzwile December 15, 2000, 06:10 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Un4given:
    So if I understand you correctly, the core and memory are clocked synchronously?

    Hmm, if they could get the core/memory up around 200MHz/200MHz (400MHz effective...ala GTS Pro), and get some more of the driver bugs worked out, that would really be a killer card.

    But if they did that, i think ATI would play NV's price game too... and the ppl would b*tch and b*tch and b*tch and b*tch and b*tch and... and... and... (fades into the distance)

    By benfield December 15, 2000, 06:11 PM

    nVidia's technology has a limit set on it due to its dependence on the fab technology available at the time. So far their approach has been strictly to build the best chip with the best technology, and so far their approach has worked. As you see from their line of products they have never created a dual chip array, and my suspicion is that they feel like they need to have a dual chip solution to stay competitive in future product generations and that they don't want to strictly rely on their own, rudimentary knowledge of the subject. Every other major graphics card company (not including Intel, they are major, but that is only because of the motherboard integration) has at least experimented with dual chip solutions. ATI's being the MAXX version of the Rage, and 3Dfx's solution, in my eyes the best solution currently out there, the Voodoo 5 series. nVidia had two options for their next line of products, experiment and make shoddy products at first due to their inexperience, or acquire a company that has made these products. 3Dfx's technology was ripe, and 3Dfx was relatively inexpensive.

    By toonzwile December 15, 2000, 06:18 PM

    quote:Originally posted by benfield:
    3Dfx's technology was ripe, and 3Dfx was relatively inexpensive.

    Of course... all corporate takeovers/acquisitions are based on some kind of gain in technology -- anybody who thinks NV is acquiring 3dfx for the sole purpose of taking out their enemies is a damned fool!! 3dfx did the same thing when they bought out STB, except they didnt handle those new assets well, and they ended up having to sell it off again. 3dfx's mistake with that acquisition was that they didnt have the financial infrastructure required to convert the STB-acquired technology into whatever 3dfx planned to do with it. Im pretty sure that NV is in a better financial position now than 3dfx was back then, in comparable terms of profit and assets of course.

    By Hey Yoda December 15, 2000, 06:19 PM

    Holly crap! This is HUGE.

    But, I wonder of what kind benefit 3dfx technology could have for nvidia?

    Kind of sad that a company can go from king of the graphics card market to dust in just 3 years. Hell in another 3 years, nvidia and ATI could both be dust too. That's amazing.

    By Buttalova December 15, 2000, 06:21 PM

    LOL, Man its about time. No more bitchin from the 3dfx lackies, were on the same team! I've been partial to Nvidia ever since I bought my first chipset the riva128. At that time Nvidia was getting its ass chewed out by the competition. 3years later, it's good to be a stockholder. I'm not an Nvidiot I'm just rooting for the better company. GO 3dfx! GO Nvidia!

    Where tha ladies at?

    By Buttalova December 15, 2000, 06:38 PM

    O and the funny thing is I was flamed in October from some of you, when I did an audit on 3dfx for my Masters, Venture Development course. I said it was a possibility that 3dfx was going to be merged with Nvidia before any of the speculation got out. And what now? As much as I don't like submitting to childish antics, I will for in this thread. Revenge is sweet. I wonder where 3dfx got HSR drivers from? hmmmmm? could it be this acquisition has been in the works for quite some time now? O well same company different name now. All of you looking forward to Rampage should most likely still do so. From past experience, these acquisitions are short lived, and 3dfx most likely won't loose its name but will regain much stability from its former arch-rival now turned best friend Nvidia. So Rampage will most likely come out, not under the Nvidia name, but the 3dfx name.

    I hope that the future will be much brighter now, and quit complaining about price, and look at the positive side.

    By Strapped21 December 15, 2000, 06:39 PM

    All i can say is it makes me wonder as to the future of the Rampage.. is it doomed to be another V5 6000?

    I also have the fears of prices rising due to lack of competition. I hope ATI can cut it and keep up with the competition that, no doubt, nVida will give them.

    By skjos December 15, 2000, 06:43 PM

    I bought 200 shares of TDFX at $3.50... did I just get screwed? I hope not.

    By surf December 15, 2000, 06:47 PM

    I wonder if daveb3d is gonna get fired? j/j

    By Strapped21 December 15, 2000, 06:49 PM

    Good point though Butt. It would seem in nVidas best interests to have them release the Rampage as they now own the company and the 3dfx name is a very well known name to which nVida no doubt has plans to use. Im sure though with this aqusition will bring along better technology possibly faster then before.. hmm.. food for thought though that is for sure.. guess only time will tell.

    By overdriver December 15, 2000, 06:55 PM


    SLI..? Imagine you can have 2 GTS core chips in one card I guess Nvidia likes 3Dfx's marketing department since they did real good.

    quote:Originally posted by Hey Yoda:
    Holly crap! This is HUGE.

    But, I wonder of what kind benefit 3dfx technology could have for nvidia?

    Kind of sad that a company can go from king of the graphics card market to dust in just 3 years. Hell in another 3 years, nvidia and ATI could both be dust too. That's amazing.

    By Buttalova December 15, 2000, 07:02 PM

    Word, I feel that. Some people are missing the point as well 3dfx still exists as a separate entity from Nvidia. However, Nvidia has control over the corporations future plans and assets. Think of Nvidia as a seeing eye midget. It tells 3dfx where to go.

    Either way they are a team now; Nvidia would have to have severly poor judgement if it were to scrap the 3dfx brand name.

    Price is one thing but innovation is another. The amount of high performance budget cards will also increase. But for those who have the resources to purchase a faster card will also benefit.

    Skjos, your stocks are 100% ok. First of all do you have common or preferred shares? You will recieve your semi-annual dividends, and based on how much and what kind of stock you own you will recieve a capital reinbursement from 3dfx. That could be anything, from a free 3dfx card, an option to have Nvidia sticks, or possible $ reinbursement over time.

    Where tha ladies at?

    By skjos December 15, 2000, 07:06 PM

    Give me a couple of V5 6000's and I'll be happy. Oh yea,, they sold that technology to Quantum3D... damn.

    By Un4given December 15, 2000, 07:19 PM

    quote:Originally posted by toonzwile:
    But if they did that, i think ATI would play NV's price game too... and the ppl would b*tch and b*tch and b*tch and b*tch and b*tch and... and... and... (fades into the distance)


    I don't know. ATi has been out of the picture for awhile. Since I think it would only require 5.5ns DDR memory to make 200MHz, and it's not all that uncommon any more, they could do it for little additional cost, and undercut NVidia in price. Take AMD's tactic to sucking up market share.

    As I see it, ATi is like AMD, and NVidia is like Intel. AMD got their foot in the door with a product that can perform close to, or even better than, the big boys stuff. Now, if they can do that at a much lower price point, they stand a chance of pulling in some of those soon to be buyers that may have been considering a 3dfx card, or even an NVidia card.

    I honestly think if they get the core/memory to 200MHz, and debug those drivers some more, not only for bugs and stability issues, but for speed increases, they have a real shot at competing with NVidia. Now while many have made acclaim to the Radeons visual quality, when all is said and done, people look at fps. When people that don't know anything about the real technology behind the card look at buying, they will look at the MHz rating, and maybe some reviews where fps were the major factor.

    Getting the card to 200MHz on core and memory could do a lot from a marketing and performance perspective, especially if they undercut NV's prices.

    By BuggyLoop December 15, 2000, 07:29 PM

    actually, i think peoples will consider image quality more and more, why? cause cards today can already push near 60 fps at 1600x1200 fps. The next gen of cards coming will probably double that with hsr and all that crap in hardware, When Fps will no longer matter much (cause past 75fps its wasted bandwitch) image quality will rise on top.

    Nv20 and radeon 2 will be a SWEET fight to look at, i just cant wait!

    By Snoop Dogg December 15, 2000, 07:38 PM

    Owww D@mn it!!! So yesterdays rumor was true.

    By Reality December 15, 2000, 07:43 PM

    Remember as children, when we would think "Wow, if Nintendo and Sega teamed up, that would be awesome!".

    Same thing for this, except:

    1. It's the PC Market, not Console.
    2. It's nvidia and 3dfx (and while it's not 'teaming up', it's pretty close)
    3. Nvidia's products are going to be extremely expensive.

    :/

    By Fat Elvis December 15, 2000, 08:09 PM

    skjos

    Expensive Sushi

    Posts: 22
    Registered: Dec 2000
    posted December 15, 2000 06:43 PM

    I bought 200 shares of TDFX at $3.50... did I just get screwed? I hope not.

    By OOAgentFiruz December 15, 2000, 08:24 PM

    "How to become a monopoly" by NVIDIA Corporation.

    1.Release product.
    2.Clone current industry leading tech/patent infringement.
    3.Use marketing and execution to pound competition,or cause it to make mistakes in the rush.
    4.Buddy up with another monopoly in the industry(microsoft)
    5.Use investment,and piggy back on the other companies marketing of joint venture(x-box)
    6.Watch your share price rise.Watch you rivals stock fall.
    7.Wait for rival to be in the final desperate position,acquire/lure staff away.
    8.Aquire companies technology,while squashing pending lawsuit for the evils of the past : )

    Now all that has to happen is for AMD or ATI to adopt the strategy.

    By Buttalova December 15, 2000, 08:25 PM

    He's not screwed at all. Its obvious you don't know s*** about stocks. Read the acquisition terms and then come back and argue. Read my post on pg 2 too. =OP

    Sorry dogg, the truth hurts, you scared go to church. - Lil Richie.

    By Abit400 December 15, 2000, 08:33 PM

    ATi has a really good chance to become a worthwhile contestant to Nvidia. Personally right now I believe that the Radeon is better than then any GeForce2. I just hope that ATi does not f*** everything up and not do anything, or screw with the Radeon and make a really bad product like the Rage 128 disaster.

    By RadeonMAXX December 15, 2000, 08:38 PM

    Most if not all the driver engineers will be laid off from 3DFX(Im sure of that), I don't think Nvidia will have use for them. So where do they go?? ATi! Plus, there are a lot of hardcore voodoo users out there who will probably have pure hatred towards Nvidia & most likley buy ATi now unless Nvidia supports glide, then that might be a different story.

    By Kai December 15, 2000, 08:50 PM

    hopefully ATI does hire some of the software developers, perhaps then they will have some good drivers

    By Humus December 15, 2000, 08:56 PM

    This is a sad day for graphic enthusiats.
    Two main competitors left. I hope Matrox wake up soon and release their G800. Perhaps we can have three then ...

    By Fat Elvis December 15, 2000, 10:18 PM

    Buttalover--

    You're a MORON. The deal is for $112 Million; TDFX has liabilities of $118 Million. All proceeds from the sale are going to TDFX's creditors; that means TDFX shareholders get zip.

    NVDA did not outright buy TDFX because they would have to assume their debt. What the terms of the agreement amount to is that NVDA gets rights to all of TDFX's name and tech without their debt. There's nothing left for the shareholders.

    But hey, if you don't believe me, there's some TDFX shares for sale for only $1.25/ share. Buy 'em up buddy. Plop every last penny you got into the stock and get rich. Gee, you're a financial wizard.

    You just don't get it; this isn't an acquisition--it's a liquidation and dissolution. NVDA is buying the ASSETS (rights to name and technology) NOT THE COMPANY.

    By Snoop Dogg December 15, 2000, 10:25 PM

    nVidia are son's of betches folks!!! This aint funny...if ATI falls up on there next card or next next card they could be gone and it will mean hardly any competetion and I think I know and u know what that means.

    By DRYNDRYN2 December 15, 2000, 10:34 PM

    There will be competition!

    Read:
    Design Win Establishes S3 Graphics as a New Supplier for Micron
    NEC Selects S3 Graphics' Mobile Savage for New Notebook PCs
    S3 Graphics Delivers Desktop Graphics to Sony Notebooks
    Thats before 2 day's news
    And many more notebooks r powered by S3. S3 is strong there, and they r making a new desktop chip. Read carefull:

    "Next-Gen talk from S3 Graphics!!

    S3 Graphics will be full-scheduled back to discrete silicon offerings with all the 250 engineers of the firm working on a completely new architecture that will take advantage of a new Hidden Surface Prediction architecture. Although no final decisions have been made yet, S3 Graphics has started a new architecture design from the drawing board and with a White Paper trying to search around HSR. As S3's Paul said, it doesn't make sense having an ultra complex GeForce-like design, which boasts more complexity than an Athlon Thunderbird... S3 Graphics targets to have silicon available by the end of Q3 2001(or at least that's what the writer was hinted) "

    Damn, i dont know how many times i posted this

    ATI is not alone in the war against nVIDIA

    By Fat Elvis December 15, 2000, 10:36 PM

    Buttalova

    Expensive Sushi

    Posts: 28
    Registered: Nov 2000
    posted December 15, 2000 07:02 PM

    Word, I feel that. Some people are missing the point as well 3dfx still exists as a
    separate entity from Nvidia. However, Nvidia has control over the corporations future
    plans and assets. Think of Nvidia as a seeing eye midget. It tells 3dfx where to go.

    Either way they are a team now; Nvidia would have to have severly poor judgement if it
    were to scrap the 3dfx brand name.

    Price is one thing but innovation is another. The amount of high performance budget
    cards will also increase. But for those who have the resources to purchase a faster card
    will also benefit.

    Skjos, your stocks are 100% ok. First of all do you have common or preferred shares?
    You will recieve your semi-annual dividends, and based on how much and what kind of
    stock you own you will recieve a capital reinbursement from 3dfx. That could be
    anything, from a free 3dfx card, an option to have Nvidia sticks, or possible $
    reinbursement over time.

    Where tha ladies at?

    Semi-annual dividend?????
    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha...oh that's a good one!
    TDFX has NEVER paid a dividend.

    A capital reinbursement (sic)???? They can't even afford monopoly money.

    Get a clue dude. TDFX agreed to sell their assets to NVDA so that the board will get a little something out of the deal, ie a nice little severence package from the fine folks at NVDA. They don't sell their assets to NVDA, the banks take over and the board gets nothing.

    Skjos- I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the most you can hope for with your 200 shares of TDFX is 5, maybe 6 shares of NVDA--and that's assuming that the sale of the 1 million NVDA shares aren't liquidated by the creditors to cover outstanding liabilities, which they probably will be. If there is a silver lining, look on the bright side, it was only $700.....there are a lot of TDFX investors who lost a whole lot more.

    By Buttalova December 15, 2000, 11:33 PM

    You guyz are great. First of all learn to spell my alias. Second of all you, probably have no formal education on the topic your arguing.

    What do you think 3dfx's main motivation is? To satisfy their stockholders. A.k.a pay dividends vis-a-vis asstes or cash, depending on the stock rights each individual has under the stock ledger posted by the 3dfx. (Check their 1999 F/S's, Note23)In an effort to protect its creditors and maximize
    shareholder value, 3dfx Interactive, Inc. (Nasdaq: TDFX - news) announced today that it will
    substantially reduce all of its workforce as part of an initiative to significantly reduce expenses.

    All liabilities that 3dfx has will be payed out. Hence dissolution and repaying investors. Of course the stock will be at rock bottom. Who said I'd buy any? What can 3dfx do without assets...not much. Don't be surprised if 3dfx will be 100% acquired by Nvidia or some other company. The only thing 3dfx has jurisdiction over is their name on new products and employees.

    Quit arguing with me cause its evident you have no clue what the hell you guys are talking about. Give me some kind of credibility on the part of your name besides how post you've posted, and we'll talk.

    said Alex Leupp, president
    and CEO, 3dfx Interactive Inc., "we strongly believe that to reduce expenses, sell our assets and
    dissolve the company provides the highest return to our creditors, shareholders, and employees.

    Check and mate!
    Where the ladies at? http://firingsquad.gamers.com/news/default.asp#2546

    By GodIsWired December 15, 2000, 11:36 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Fat Elvis:

    Skjos- I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the most you can hope for with your 200 shares of TDFX is 5, maybe 6 shares of NVDA--and that's assuming that the sale of the 1 million NVDA shares aren't liquidated by the creditors to cover outstanding liabilities, which they probably will be. If there is a silver lining, look on the bright side, it was only $700.....there are a lot of TDFX investors who lost a whole lot more.

    I agree. If they were annexing 3dfx through a stock buy out, 3dfx stock would go way up on the fly, people would sell, then dwindle to zilch. This isn't a direct stock annex. They're buying RIGHTS to 3dfx names and techs. Your stocks are dead meat.

    By Buttalova December 15, 2000, 11:47 PM

    O an another thing. Let's leave at that, I've got finals to study for can't argue no more, but it was fun while it lasted, Sorry if I offended anyone's financial integrity =).

    P.S - I never disputed that 3dfx's share aren't worth anything but the current shareholders will recieve reinbursements in one form or another sometime in the future. This is not a bankruptcy yet(dissolution and bankruptcy are similar but two separate things), there's no bad debt expense for share's and assets (yet) therefore Skjos is entitled to recieve a reinbursement as long as he doesn't sell his stock for shit. Cap-ito? POSSE-OUT.

    By Dude December 16, 2000, 01:18 AM

    Does this mean the Voodoo5 6000 has been canceled?

    By OOAgentFiruz December 16, 2000, 01:24 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Dude:
    Does this mean the Voodoo5 6000 has been canceled?

    Old news it was cancelled, quantumn is releasing the technology in their alchemy graphics systems.

    By Rick_James9 December 16, 2000, 01:40 AM

    Let me start by saying....this really sucks! This quote says it all, "In addition, upon signing the definitive agreement, 3dfx transferred to NVIDIA the ``3dfx'' and ``Voodoo'' brand names and trademarks."

    I remember a long time ago when the name 3dfx meant something. Now, it is only a trademark/prize for nVidia. But,it's ok because 3dfx started this 3d gaming thing. So, I'm not going to flame them because it was a quality company that cared about their products.As I've always said before I don't understand why ppl hate 3dfx? 3dfx just didn't understand that the PC industry was(is) being flooded by morons who didn't even know what a video card was before nVidia came along. Anyway, this goes out to the "real" 3dfx employees, thanks!

    By Dude December 16, 2000, 04:50 AM

    Thanks OOAgentFuzz, I was being facetious. I believe that 3dfx is not going to disappear altogether, but become a smaller group within Nvidia's corporate claws. Damn communist bastards! Isn't that a monopoly, or something? Maybe Sharky should make Video Cards.

    By drunkenmaster2000 December 16, 2000, 05:26 AM

    Why is everyone bitching about NVidia charging too much? For a start, These things aren't cheap. Look at the memory specs on the £400 bastard, and tell me if you could put one together cheaper. (silly, I know) Graphics cards are just going to get more expensive, even more so when they start shipping with 128Mb of 2ns DDR (or whadeva) It's inevitable. And talking of over priced, did anyone say 'Voodoo II SLI'. I mean, fast it was, but they wouldn't even bundle two together, you had to buy two seperately at retail. People still bought these by the bucketload, and I thought it was the biggest rip-off since [mental block].

    And they shot themselves in the foot when they stopped providing chips to other manufacturers. This is when they a) freaked out a lot of people, b) cheesed off a lot of people, who, in turn, had to buy NVidia chips for their hardware.

    Why all the nvidia hating? It's not like they're coming round your house, fitting it in your system, and nicking your bank book. If you can't afford it, wait. They get cheaper just as quickly.

    Thats my £0.02

    I'm going Xmas shopping....

    dm

    By dBLiSS December 16, 2000, 10:41 AM

    I don't get why everyone is bitch'in at Nvidia.. They have done a good job, from being an underdog back in the Voodoo2 days to being the current King of the market. I say good job NV! Maybe in three years I'll be saying Good job to S3 or somebody for their accusition of the Geforce name! =)

    Hey it could happen.

    By Fat Elvis December 16, 2000, 11:06 AM

    Buttholelover-

    It's obvious you've never done any real investing. It's also obvious you don't know jack crap about the way TDFX does business. If you actually think that the shareholders matter to TDFX, you are very deluded. Even Greg Ballard exercised all his options in the teens and twenties. Here's a clue for you---when the management jumps ship (and yes, I know, Ballard is no longer with the company), it's usually a red flag telling investors to get out as well. You say TDFX's primary goal is to satisfy their investors, well here's a challenge: Find me 1 satified, current TDFX investor. Just 1.

    The investors that hold on to their stock till the bitter end will get nothing. I don't know why you think that there is some type of capital reinbursement (sic) coming for the investors; there's no capital--all proceeds for the sale of TDFX's assets will go towards creditors not investors. No one will get a TDFX card; as part of the agreement, NVDA gets all remaining inventories of cards. They're gonna resell them.

    Your stupidity is just incredible. When you grow up little boy/girl and get into the real world and invest real money, you're gonna get your ass handed to you on a plate.

    By Fat Elvis December 16, 2000, 11:09 AM

    Buttlova-

    It's obvious you've never done any real investing. It's also obvious you don't know jack crap about the way TDFX does business. If you actually think that the shareholders matter to TDFX, you are very deluded. Even Greg Ballard exercised all his options in the teens and twenties. Here's a clue for you---when the management jumps ship (and yes, I know, Ballard is no longer with the company), it's usually a red flag telling investors to get out as well. You say TDFX's primary goal is to satisfy their investors, well here's a challenge: Find me 1 satified, current TDFX investor. Just 1.

    The investors that hold on to their stock till the bitter end will get nothing. I don't know why you think that there is some type of capital reinbursement (sic) coming for the investors; there's no capital--all proceeds for the sale of TDFX's assets will go towards creditors not investors. No one will get a TDFX card; as part of the agreement, NVDA gets all remaining inventories of cards. They're gonna resell them.

    Your stupidity is just incredible. When you grow up little boy/girl and get into the real world and invest real money, you're gonna get your ass handed to you on a plate.

    By Fat Elvis December 16, 2000, 01:06 PM

    oops... sorry about the double post


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