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  • SharkyForums.Com - Print: Celery finally on 100 Mhz FSB!!!

    Celery finally on 100 Mhz FSB!!!
    By Doward January 03, 2001, 11:13 AM

    And STILL can't touch the Duron! Kudos to AMD!

    By The WhiteRabbit January 03, 2001, 11:39 AM

    Well overclockers have know that since the Duron was released

    However, celerys are still excellent processors.

    By Doward January 03, 2001, 11:41 AM

    Oh I know. I just want to know how on earth Intel thinks that a 800 Celeron, on a 100 MHZ bus, STILL slower than an 800 Duron, for well... over 2x the price, is going to take the value segment by storm?

    By Galen_of_Edgewood January 03, 2001, 12:04 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Doward:
    Oh I know. I just want to know how on earth Intel thinks that a 800 Celeron, on a 100 MHZ bus, STILL slower than an 800 Duron, for well... over 2x the price, is going to take the value segment by storm?

    It's got an Intel name on it, that's how.

    Actually, if you look at the benchmarks of the value chipsets for the Duron, the Celeron performs as fast as the Duron. If the Duron value chipsets could be inexpensive but as fast as the high-end chipsets, then the Celly will only survive by name alone.

    By Phatman January 03, 2001, 12:19 PM

    Intel pisses me off. They hide behind their name This is a prime example of how big corporations try and screw the consumers.

    By Fade- January 03, 2001, 01:09 PM

    Let's say like this, the main reason I wont buy a Duron for example is that then I have to buy a brand new mobo, and then it's EXPENSIVE.. But if I stay with my bx6 rev2, and buy a cel 667 and run it on 100fsb, I got a 1Ghz for 90$ .. and I dont feel like giving out another 150$ for a new mobo..

    (ok put another 30$ on that processor for the PAL6035 with delta fan )

    but with this conclusion that you can upgrade your computer without buying a new mobo, is a +. For intel.. and take alot of customers from AMD...

    By Adisharr January 03, 2001, 01:09 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Phatman:
    Intel pisses me off. They hide behind their name This is a prime example of how big corporations try and screw the consumers.

    Usually the ones who don't do any research.. I can't see the real value in a Cel800 when I can get a P3 700 for less and have a better performer..

    By Phatman January 03, 2001, 01:21 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Adisharr:
    Usually the ones who don't do any research.. I can't see the real value in a Cel800 when I can get a P3 700 for less and have a better performer..


    I'm talking about the people that know nothing about computers Then again, they also get screwed by the people they buy their pre-built PC from

    By Adisharr January 03, 2001, 01:28 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Phatman:
    I'm talking about the people that know nothing about computers Then again, they also get screwed by the people they buy their pre-built PC from

    You got that right. I told two of my relatives that we could build them a couple of great PC's but what did they do? They went to Gateway and bought some purdy looking cases Believe it or not, they are already having problems with them..

    By winky January 03, 2001, 03:52 PM

    It is about time the celeron made the jump to 100fsb, but how will they really overclock now? Intel better lower the price though, a P3 800 is selling for less on www.pricewatch.com/ right now. The irony of it is almost funny.

    By JackG January 03, 2001, 04:21 PM

    quote:Believe it or not, they are already having problems with them..
    And they're calling you ,not Gateway,right?

    By JediNemesis January 03, 2001, 05:27 PM

    quote:Originally posted by The WhiteRabbit:
    Well overclockers have know that since the Duron was released

    However, celerys are still excellent processors.

    Yeah, sorta kinda, but not really. For the price of a Cellie 800 and i810, I could get a Duron 800, KT-133, and an ok video card.

    L8r,
    Will

    By Un4given January 03, 2001, 07:06 PM

    quote:Originally posted by JediNemesis:
    Yeah, sorta kinda, but not really. For the price of a Cellie 800 and i810, I could get a Duron 800, KT-133, and an ok video card.

    L8r,
    Will


    No doubt, with the major price difference in the CPU+i810 board, you could get the 800 Duron, the MB, and just about squeeze a GF2 MX out of the rest. Now compare the benchmarks for the money spent, and that Duron just stomped the Celery.

    By iamsostupid January 03, 2001, 07:12 PM

    but the fact remains, if you are starting from scratch, AMD is the way to go!

    By FaTs January 03, 2001, 07:12 PM

    The celeron is really only an OEM solution these days. They will have to a n upgrade on it soon. It would have to happen before the year is out.

    Anyone got any idea why Intel didn't realise a Doubled pumped Bus with the i815 ?

    By GHz January 03, 2001, 07:16 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Adisharr:
    Usually the ones who don't do any research.. I can't see the real value in a Cel800 when I can get a P3 700 for less and have a better performer..


    Two words, speed sells, especially for most computer user who doesnt know the difference between AGP and PCI and buy crappy store computers like compaq. You may think that there's not a lot of them out of there, but the fact is Compaq is, i believe, the biggest manufacturer of computers in this country, and they come out with crappy computers.

    By iamsostupid January 03, 2001, 07:56 PM

    quote:Originally posted by GHz:
    Two words, speed sells, especially for most computer user who doesnt know the difference between AGP and PCI and buy crappy store computers like compaq. You may think that there's not a lot of them out of there, but the fact is Compaq is, i believe, the biggest manufacturer of computers in this country, and they come out with crappy computers.

    Yeah, and with the Celeron 766, this market fooling idea has really been taken to the extreme. They think 766MHz is 766MHz. They do not know how many of those clock cycles are used tho. They dont understand 66MHz front side bus. They dont know that high multipliers are bad. They think MHz is a unit of speed, and that is why compaq, hp, dell, gateway, intel, all of them: thats why they get them up the beehind- because they're stupid. theyaresostupid.

    By iamsostupid January 03, 2001, 07:58 PM

    quote:Originally posted by FaTs:
    The celeron is really only an OEM solution these days. They will have to a n upgrade on it soon. It would have to happen before the year is out.

    Anyone got any idea why Intel didn't realise a Doubled pumped Bus with the i815 ?

    they didnt double pump the i815e because it wasnt necessary. Intel doesnt, and will never, care about your frame rate in UT. They care about profit and revenue, and whether or not the i815 has a double pumped bus or not, it wont determine how many computers OEMs sell, because they're the greater market, so thats what Intel focuses on.

    By Doward January 03, 2001, 11:44 PM

    That, and the fact that with the quad-pumped P4 coming out, it only shows a greater gap in speed. Remember the 100 Mhz, from 66? how about 400, from 100/133? One thing I've learn, even after only 17 years, is that the masses are INCREDIBLY stupid, gullible people. It's nice to have found a place (here) that I can hang with people who have a higher IQ than their height.

    By cracovian January 04, 2001, 10:10 AM

    Give me a break... You have higher IQ because you know about MHZ and high frame rates in Quake or UT? If that's true then your existence is really really sad... you shouldn't get out much, so you might as well stay on these boards 24/7.

    I myself have a Sony puter with i810 and Celery 600 which makes me a legal retard in your terms, I guess :-)
    The reason I bought it was because it was cheap ($650 - and that was many months ago) and had the features I mostly cared about (like 100% compatibility with my Sony digital camcorder). It's blazingly fast, even for video editing I do, it's small and it doesn't make jet airplane noises either.

    I'm excited about the new celery but I don't have to upgrade anytime soon - what I have now is all I need. I couldn't care less for AMD even if it sold for five bucks. That's the notion most consumers share though I believe the competition in general is excellent for all of us.

    But, hey, if Sandra's (the only "chick" you probably hang out with) numbers make you feel better about your physical and mental deficiences then all power to ya! Just don't go on the "dumb-ass mob" shooting spree, I beg you...

    By vdrums January 04, 2001, 12:52 PM

    DOWARD wrote:
    "One thing I've learn, even after only 17 years, is that the masses are INCREDIBLY stupid, gullible people. It's nice to have found a place (here) that I can hang with people who have a higher IQ than their height."

    I have a HP with a 766mhz Celeron and an Intel 810 motherboard. For our buisness applications, it works exceptionally well. You havn't learned very much over the past seventeen years. It sound to me like you need someone to turn your little behind over their knee beat the snot out of you!! Having no respect for people you know nothing of singles you out of the masses and places you in a catagory no one wants a part of! If you want to be different, fine! But don't post your personal childish snoddy remarks in a forum of people who ARE the masses.
    If I were the mediator of this site, I would block you out never to return. If its intelligent conversation your looking for, come back in another seventeen years and then maybe you can enlighten us with some great word of wisdom!!

    By Arcadian January 04, 2001, 03:56 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:
    It's got an Intel name on it, that's how.

    Actually, if you look at the benchmarks of the value chipsets for the Duron, the Celeron performs as fast as the Duron. If the Duron value chipsets could be inexpensive but as fast as the high-end chipsets, then the Celly will only survive by name alone.

    It is true sometimes that brand name recognition is worth its weight in gold. Intel has built up that recognition, and it still continues to sell their products, even in light of comparatively superior products from competitors.

    However, I think you nailed a point on the head when you mentioned comparisons using value chipsets. Anand's Celeron 800 article put an i810 platform against the KM133 and the SiS 730 (I believe I am correct in this... trying to think back on his article ). In this contest, most applications perform similarly between the Duron 800 and Celeron 800, and the only difference remains the small difference in price (total system price, not per processor price).

    These tests showed that the Duron 800, formerly slaughtering the Celeron 766, has finally gotten some real competition. On value chipsets, which will compose the multitude of retail sales (which do account for a lot of overall processor sales), the Celeron 800 matches the Duron 800 on almost every test, making the choice between both products less an issue of performance.

    Remember, Intel is selling their processors to the OEMs, not to the consumers in the retail market, and OEMs are looking for products that will make compelling items on the end caps on Costco or Best Buy. It seems to me that the long overdue move to a 100MHz front side bus has finally allowed Intel to give OEMs a real reason to continue their product lines using Celeron over Duron.

    As a question of sellability and value, Intel seems to have scored much bigger this time. After quite a few flops in a row (700MHz, 733MHz, 766MHz Celerons), Intel has finally given the value market a decently performing processor. I only wonder what AMD's answer to this may be....

    By Colt January 04, 2001, 05:25 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Adisharr:
    You got that right. I told two of my relatives that we could build them a couple of great PC's but what did they do? They went to Gateway and bought some purdy looking cases Believe it or not, they are already having problems with them..

    Same here offer to help, they end up buying prebuilt and all I do is fix em. lol.

    By da_finster January 04, 2001, 05:30 PM

    i don't see what the big deal is, I had my Celery crusing on the 112MHZ bus from months now.

    check it out: http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000400.html

    By siyan_c January 04, 2001, 05:51 PM

    The general public looks for something with a big-name tag on it. Remember thats a BIG NAME tag and not a big NAME TAG. Intel, Nike, Microsoft, Sony, Compaq, etc. They trust these companies. To the average person with little computer knowledge, they will probably buy a "Compaq Presario Internet PC with Intel Celeron Processor, Intel Accelerated 3D graphics, 3D audio, Large Hard Disk, USB Ports, 128MB RAM, and one click internet access from AOL" over the "Wholybouts PCs Thunderbird 800Mhz, Via KT-133, 128MB, ATi Radeon DDR, 20GB 7200RPM ATA/100 HDD, Aureal Vortex 2" simply because they understand corporate advertising language better than computer specification language. If they knew stuff, they would buy the T-bird system.

    The argument can be raised that if a Duron system with a KT133 costs less than a Cel/100 with a i815 (or whatever it is), why don't manufacturers sell the Duron system for the same price, giving them higher profit margins and a faster CPU/Chipset combo for the consumer? Well you have to look at other parts of the system. Duron power requirements far exceed Celery reqs, and I believe Compaq uses 135W in most of its Presarios . A Duron system would probably demand quality RAM; Infineon here we go. And then there is the issue of heating and such. These raise the cost of a Duron system to about the same as the Celery system. And then they don't get to slap on the "Intel Inside" sticker.

    If you are building your own system, or if your buying prebuilt, get AMD. But don't get prebuilt. Jeepers.

    Once AMD gets more name recognition, things will change.

    -C

    By Doward January 04, 2001, 06:26 PM

    It stomps your slow @ss 1.2 Tbird!" Whatever. At 1/5 the price, and the 1.2 Tbird beating that 1.5 (300 Mhz advantage, keep in mind) on most apps these days, I'll go with the Tbird. The Athlon still has the fastest FPU on the planet, right? Anyway, I apologize. You guys with the 700+ Celerys on the i810s aren't retarded. Mearly misguided!


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