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  • SharkyForums.Com - Print: Shots of Quake 3 running on Rampage

    Shots of Quake 3 running on Rampage
    By MatrixShark January 21, 2001, 09:55 AM

    These are shots leaked from an ex employee.
    http://hometown.aol.com/gdawson1/rampage.html

    It was so close...

    By Cam January 21, 2001, 10:12 AM

    Yup and Gore was almost president but no one will remember that. Too bad seriously cuz 3dfx did make great products. I just finally went nVidia for the first time and was always a 3dfx fan.

    By Bateluer January 21, 2001, 10:27 AM

    Thank God Gore lost the election and was not president. I wouldn't want to live under his BS.
    Shame about the Rampage though. Hopefully Nvidia will incorporate part of somewhere.

    By MatrixShark January 21, 2001, 10:27 AM

    Strange but I'll bet most people in this forum cared more about this "race" than the electoral one...

    It would be wonderful to see NVIDIA carry the torch for 3dfx now that they are gone. If they do it right they could earn alot of old 3dfx fans along the way.

    By Cam January 21, 2001, 01:02 PM

    Sad to say it but I think they got most of us anyways cuz the competition is kinda thin with really only ATI or nVidia as the real players now. As for Gore I really don't care cuz I'm Canadian anyhoo.

    By mrwhite January 21, 2001, 01:09 PM

    Competition is based on quality not quantity. youll get better competition when theres two really good makes than when theres one big make and several small ones. So I think when the NV20 and Rad2 hit the reviews theres gonna be more fierce competition than ever. sadly not in the marketing section, thats the only bit of the competition that does want quantity, so prices will be higher than we're used to. products will, or should, be better though.

    By MatrixShark January 21, 2001, 09:00 PM

    Speaking of competition and the Radeon2, is there any good speculation as to it's specs and how it stacks up against NV20?

    By Terry January 21, 2001, 09:24 PM

    the screensohts doesn't look so good

    By iamsostupid January 21, 2001, 10:15 PM

    no they do not

    By MatrixShark January 21, 2001, 11:47 PM

    I agree, the lousy quality is from the JPEG compression, the shrinking of the originals and then re-compression. The originals do look somewhat better (and much larger).

    By MatrixShark January 21, 2001, 11:59 PM

    These shots are from an internal 3dfx e-mail that was passed around right when rampage had just started to get up and running. It was a celebration type e-mail. There are plenty of glitches, but not too shabby for something like twenty minutes after they received the chip in the lab.

    By MatrixShark January 22, 2001, 12:33 AM

    If you want a closer look, the page has been updated. The pictures are now links (thumbnails) to the larger originals.
    http://hometown.aol.com/gdawson1/rampage.html

    By SlartyB January 22, 2001, 02:46 AM

    quote:Originally posted by MatrixShark:
    If you want a closer look, the page has been updated. The pictures are now links (thumbnails) to the larger originals.
    http://hometown.aol.com/gdawson1/rampage.html

    THANKS !!

    It makes my heart break seeing those images again

    Just glad someone sneaked them out so I can have a copy

    I still can't believe we got Quake up and running so soon. I don't think people truely realise what it signifies. This is on "A0" silicon, the very first batch. There are bound to be problems with a chip as big as Rampage. I think it is a credit to the verification team that the chip came back in such a good state.

    The best bit is how high we could clock the thing - but unfortunately I think that might fall under NDA


    By DaveB3D January 22, 2001, 03:58 AM

    Wow.. I'm rather surprised those got leaked.. I guess I probably shouldn't be. I think most everyone in the company (if not everyone) got them.

    By MatrixShark January 22, 2001, 06:19 PM

    If Rampage was this close and Fear such a good design, then why did that damned investor back out on 3dfx? That Investor left them to drown only inches away from shore. Along with the death of 3dfx, the jobs and hopes of many also died. For many the choice between a 5500 and a gts was tough, choosing Rampage would have been alot easier.

    By alanschu January 22, 2001, 06:28 PM

    What am I supposed to be looking for in these screenshots?


    They don't look like anything the V5 5500, or even old TNT2 is incapable of doing.

    By Newbie-Overclocker January 22, 2001, 06:34 PM

    Ya its sad to think a tnt2 m64 looks as good as the ultra just at alot lower fps nv20 will be the same way.
    atleast ATI and 3dFX made there GraphiX look a bit better with each new bord and dam motion BLUR in q3 IS SO SWEET! too bad only at 10fps )

    By MatrixShark January 22, 2001, 06:34 PM

    The screenshots are there just to show that Rampage was that close to market. They are obviously low resolution, but that's not the point.

    By Newbie-Overclocker January 22, 2001, 06:43 PM

    I bet some guy from 3dfx like daveb3d has the Rampage I would pay 1000$ easy for it dam it would be sweet ure like the only guy on earth with a rampage same goes with the voodoo 5 6000 or that voodoo with 32chips on it DAAAM!!!

    By alanschu January 22, 2001, 06:48 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Newbie-Overclocker:
    I bet some guy from 3dfx like daveb3d has the Rampage I would pay 1000$ easy for it dam it would be sweet ure like the only guy on earth with a rampage same goes with the voodoo 5 6000 or that voodoo with 32chips on it DAAAM!!!

    I suppose it would be great, as long as the drivers were in perfect working order (or you wanted to make your own).

    Can't imagine too many driver updates for the Rampage coming soon.

    And I know it means that the Rampage was close. But was it so truly revolutionary if the investors still decided to pull the plug on it? Investors like to make money, and if they see a 3dfx card with revolutionary performance and quality, they'd 'eeek' it through just a litte bit more so 3dfx could get the product out.

    By MatrixShark January 22, 2001, 06:53 PM

    I agree, and that is the truly frustrating part. There seems to be more than just the obvious here. That they "died" because of other vaguely barely hinted at reasons.

    By alanschu January 22, 2001, 07:10 PM

    quote:Originally posted by MatrixShark:
    I agree, and that is the truly frustrating part. There seems to be more than just the obvious here. That they "died" because of other vaguely barely hinted at reasons.


    I suppose, if you're the conspiracy theory type, that many people were bought out by "Company X" to get rid of their investment, so that "Company X" will get more market share from the people that normally would purchase 3dfx

    By Newbie-Overclocker January 22, 2001, 09:02 PM

    3dFX did make SWEET TV tuner card THE best also they had a card called the velocity 100 8meg card with SG ram witch came with a voodoo 3 3000 chip on it and it scored better then there voodoo 4 4500 hehe dam that was a sweet card! velocity 200 where are u?

    By jagojago12 January 22, 2001, 09:24 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Newbie-Overclocker:
    3dFX did make SWEET TV tuner card THE best also they had a card called the velocity 100 8meg card with SG ram witch came with a voodoo 3 3000 chip on it and it scored better then there voodoo 4 4500 hehe dam that was a sweet card! velocity 200 where are u?

    I think either sharkyextreme or firingsquad did a review for the STB Velocity and from what I remember, it was only slightly faster than the Voodoo3 2000 in some things, ONLY when they hacked it to make the 2nd TMU working. It's decent..

    By Newbie-Overclocker January 23, 2001, 12:45 AM

    hmmm I found it to be very fast vs a voodoo 4 4500 maybe there was some conflicts with the system while I was bening the voodoo 4

    By AMD_Forever January 23, 2001, 05:36 AM

    and people say the gf2 class cards look bad...........................

    By FaTs January 23, 2001, 08:41 AM

    not too shabby for a first run chip

    By SlartyB January 23, 2001, 11:35 AM

    quote:Originally posted by FaTs:
    not too shabby for a first run chip

    Thank you. You have no idea what that means to me personally. A lot of people sweat blood for that part.

    AMD_Forever - I hope that was a joke >|

    By SlartyB January 23, 2001, 11:36 AM

    Damn. What's the emoticon for "angry" ? I thought it was >|

    Obviously not !

    By !DOGgie January 23, 2001, 02:00 PM

    Well, 3DFX is gone now, but nVIDIA might just do a little sumthin with the core tech that they acquired. Hey, you never know...

    By Humus January 23, 2001, 03:07 PM

    quote:Originally posted by SlartyB:
    Damn. What's the emoticon for "angry" ? I thought it was >|

    Obviously not !

    Testing ...
    >
    >:-(

    By Humus January 23, 2001, 03:08 PM

    Hmm ... none of those ...

    By SlartyB January 23, 2001, 05:04 PM

    How about ....

    :|

    or

    :[

    By SlartyB January 23, 2001, 05:05 PM

    Nope, not those either .....

    Oh well - I give up.

    By Humus January 23, 2001, 06:38 PM

    Hmm... maybe
    >:|
    >:[
    >:{
    >X

    By Humus January 23, 2001, 06:42 PM

    Nope ... perhaps

    By Humus January 23, 2001, 06:43 PM

    Yeehaw!
    I found it

    : mad :

    By Shades January 23, 2001, 07:33 PM

    Hehe, you guys cracked me up with those test posts.

    You know in the post msg screen there is a smilies legend on the left hand side.

    Just click on it and it tells you all the smilies avaliable.

    By SlartyB January 23, 2001, 07:51 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Shades:
    Hehe, you guys cracked me up with those test posts.

    You know in the post msg screen there is a smilies legend on the left hand side.

    Just click on it and it tells you all the smilies avaliable.


    DOH !!!!!!

    Thanks ......

    By Humus January 24, 2001, 10:33 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Shades:
    Hehe, you guys cracked me up with those test posts.

    You know in the post msg screen there is a smilies legend on the left hand side.

    Just click on it and it tells you all the smilies avaliable.

    Oops ... one learns something new each day!

    By Sol January 24, 2001, 01:43 PM

    I didn't read all the posts in this thread, but those pics, am I supposed to be impressed? Cuz i am not. ?!?

    By SlartyB January 24, 2001, 01:56 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Sol:
    I didn't read all the posts in this thread, but those pics, am I supposed to be impressed? Cuz i am not. ?!?


    Ummmmm - why not?

    The point of the pictures is to show that Rampage was a reality. It was back from the fab and was working. Have you *NO* idea ?!? As a moderator (tugs forelock ), I would have hoped you had enough industry experience to realise the significance.

    Rampage would have at the very least put 3dfx back in the running, giving it enough revenue to keep the company going until Fear came out. There was even a pretty good chance it would have kicked NV20's butt.

    We were that F(%$*&G **CLOSE** (fogive me) before the plug was pulled. That is the point of the pictures. The image quality is not an issue. you are looking at the output of "alpha" silicon with "alpha" drivers.

    By Adisharr January 24, 2001, 02:15 PM

    quote:Originally posted by SlartyB:

    Ummmmm - why not?

    The point of the pictures is to show that Rampage was a reality. It was back from the fab and was working. Have you *NO* idea ?!? As a moderator (tugs forelock ), I would have hoped you had enough industry experience to realise the significance.

    Rampage would have at the very least put 3dfx back in the running, giving it enough revenue to keep the company going until Fear came out. There was even a pretty good chance it would have kicked NV20's butt.

    We were that F(%$*&G **CLOSE** (fogive me) before the plug was pulled. That is the point of the pictures. The image quality is not an issue. you are looking at the output of "alpha" silicon with "alpha" drivers.

    Such a shame that it won't be released. I probably would have purchased one I liked my V3 so much. I like the Radeon a lot as well but I never had one issue running anything with a 3dfx product.


    By H@rdw@reXpert January 24, 2001, 04:21 PM

    Those are not Rampage pics...I remember seeing them before when 3dfx was showing off the V5. Those are V5 pics.

    By DaveB3D January 24, 2001, 05:32 PM

    Well let us consider. We have

    A) ex-3dfx people saying the pictures are from Rampage
    and
    B) We've got HardwareExpert saying they aren't...

    hmm... who are you going to believe, us or him?

    By alanschu January 24, 2001, 06:12 PM

    quote:Originally posted by SlartyB:

    Ummmmm - why not?

    The point of the pictures is to show that Rampage was a reality. It was back from the fab and was working. Have you *NO* idea ?!? As a moderator (tugs forelock ), I would have hoped you had enough industry experience to realise the significance.

    Rampage would have at the very least put 3dfx back in the running, giving it enough revenue to keep the company going until Fear came out. There was even a pretty good chance it would have kicked NV20's butt.

    We were that F(%$*&G **CLOSE** (fogive me) before the plug was pulled. That is the point of the pictures. The image quality is not an issue. you are looking at the output of "alpha" silicon with "alpha" drivers.


    It may have been a reality. Or those pics might not even been from the Rampage. Unfortunately, only those that actually worked at 3dfx would know if they are legit or not, and because those of us that didn't work there will never see the hardware, some of us may be hardpressed to believe that they are actually from the Rampage.

    From where I stand (which is no where significant), it doesn't seem like the Rampage, even with only alpha silicon, was running all that impressive. Unless the 3dfx investors were silly, if the Rampage was to come out with very good performance, I doubt they would've pulled the plug.

    But, I'm not that kind of insider, so I guess we'll never know.

    By SlartyB January 24, 2001, 06:40 PM

    quote:Originally posted by alanschu:

    It may have been a reality. Or those pics might not even been from the Rampage. Unfortunately, only those that actually worked at 3dfx would know if they are legit or not, and because those of us that didn't work there will never see the hardware, some of us may be hardpressed to believe that they are actually from the Rampage.

    From where I stand (which is no where significant), it doesn't seem like the Rampage, even with only alpha silicon, was running all that impressive. Unless the 3dfx investors were silly, if the Rampage was to come out with very good performance, I doubt they would've pulled the plug.

    But, I'm not that kind of insider, so I guess we'll never know.


    Hi. Did you read DaveB's post ? (The one before yours).

    It says it all really. I know there is a lot of BS posted on this forum, but please believe me - as an ex-3dfx employee - those pictures are real.

    By Cam January 24, 2001, 06:57 PM

    Is it cool? I don't know for sure. Who gives a shit anyways.? They are dead and bankrupt so what does it matter what might have been? It would just be another card without future support. Besides without T&L how far could it go. Fillrate is only capable of so much.

    By Humus January 24, 2001, 07:39 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Cam:
    Is it cool? I don't know for sure. Who gives a shit anyways.? They are dead and bankrupt so what does it matter what might have been? It would just be another card without future support. Besides without T&L how far could it go. Fillrate is only capable of so much.

    Who said it wouldn't have T&L?
    And fillrate is very important, effective fillrate that is.

    By email_atif January 24, 2001, 07:40 PM

    Hey SharkyForum Readers,

    Thanks for the link, I'm glad that we got to see screenshots of the preliminary card we could've had. Just gives me more reason to hate nVidia. Plus, there's no more support for us 3dfx owners dammit! Anyways, I remember reading benchmarks from Comdex 2000 of the 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 card, they were performed on Quake III Arena, and were done "when 3dfx officials weren't looking." Here were the scores (Scores taken from an 800MHz Intel Pentium III using 256K L2 Cache, all tests were conducted in High Quality Mode):

    1024 w/o FSAA: 90fps
    1024 2X FSAA: 89.3fps
    1024 4X FSAA: 86.9fps
    1600x1200 w/o FSAA: 68.2

    I realize that this doesn't have MUCH to do with the Rampage, however, it just goes to show that 3dfx DID in fact, have the GeForce2 Ultra killer.

    Here's the link if you prefer to see it for yourself:
    http://firingsquad.gamers.com/features/2000comdexpart3/page6.asp

    Late

    By Humus January 24, 2001, 07:41 PM

    BTW, since both SlartyB and DaveB3D who both come from 3dfx has confirmed that they are real shots from Rampage, why should we doubt?

    By SlartyB January 24, 2001, 08:00 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Humus:
    BTW, since both SlartyB and DaveB3D who both come from 3dfx has confirmed that they are real shots from Rampage, why should we doubt?

    Thank you. And you are right - no one said a Rampage *board* wouldn't have T&L

    By SlartyB January 24, 2001, 08:07 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Cam:
    Is it cool? I don't know for sure. Who gives a shit anyways.? They are dead and bankrupt so what does it matter what might have been? It would just be another card without future support. Besides without T&L how far could it go. Fillrate is only capable of so much.

    Whilst it is sad that your views probably match the majority of people here, and there is even an element of truth in it - don't you feel just a little bit disappointed about what you have missed out on ?

    I guess it just goes to prove the old saying "You never miss what you've never had".

    Oh - and by "without future support", did you mean that you think it would be lacking in leading edge features ? I can tell you that Rampage had more features than you can imagine (which is one reason it was late). It would not have been accused of being lacking of any features.

    By Cam January 24, 2001, 08:33 PM

    By lack of future support I meant all the poor buggers with V4 and V5's who are left in the dust. I don't care about companies that are dead. History! Besides could they bring it to market at a competitive price honestly? I think the V5 was overpriced in terms of raw performance at its release. Don't get me wrong I ALWAYS ran 3dfx before this setup. V1,Banshee (not 3dfx's finest moment)and A V3 3000 in my other sys. I chose to pass on the V5 personally because of its lack of raw fps performance based on benchmarks I had read. But my point is they are gone now. Cold perhaps but true. And I wasn't aware they were implementing T&L hence that previous statement. Hey I miss em as much as anyone but NV20 and Radeon 2 are coming so bring on the future and let the past stay behind.

    By Bateluer January 24, 2001, 08:34 PM

    With all due respect to 3Dfx and SlaryB and DAveB3D, 3Dfx is dead. They re gone, get all your grieving here. The only two major 3D chip makers that are left are ATi and Nvidia. Rampage will never see the light of day and Fear will never be made into silicon so there is no use spinning "What-Ifs . . ."

    While I do believe that Rampage and Fear would have been truly amazing, they will never see the light of day.

    Those are the cold, hard facts.

    By DaveB3D January 24, 2001, 09:54 PM

    Look, this is crazy. I don't see what the problems are. Here is how it goes:

    1) The shots are real
    2) Rampage was real in hardware
    3) 3dfx is dead and so in effect Rampage is dead too all but those of us who saw it

    These are the facts.

    By SlartyB January 24, 2001, 09:55 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bateluer:
    With all due respect to 3Dfx and SlaryB and DAveB3D, 3Dfx is dead. They re gone, get all your grieving here. The only two major 3D chip makers that are left are ATi and Nvidia. Rampage will never see the light of day and Fear will never be made into silicon so there is no use spinning "What-Ifs . . ."

    While I do believe that Rampage and Fear would have been truly amazing, they will never see the light of day.

    Those are the cold, hard facts.

    Yes - you are right. 3dfx is dead. There is no-one here (except for other x3dfxers) that has had to confront those cold hard facts more than I. It's heart wrenching. However, I just wanted to set the record straight so that people didn't end up with the idea that 3dfx died through lack of trying. The engineers there (SW and HW) were some of the best in the world - which is why nVidia grabbed most of them.

    I am not after some kind of revenge, or trying make people feel guilty (except maybe nVidia ), I just want people to know the truth, that's all.

    Anyway, I think I have said all there is to say over the last few weeks on this forum. As for this thread in particular - I was just glad to see those pictures again.

    That's all.

    Slarty'

    By Bateluer January 24, 2001, 10:21 PM

    3Dfx's engineers were indeed among the best. It is my hope that Nvidia will make good use of them.

    As for the two x3Dfx'ers in this thread, are you currently employed by Nvidia?

    By bpost34 January 24, 2001, 10:26 PM

    Dave and Slarty - Apply for Jobs at ATI!!! Join forces against the e(n)Vi(dia)l empire!!!!

    By GodIsWired January 24, 2001, 11:20 PM

    quote:Originally posted by DaveB3D:
    Well let us consider. We have

    A) ex-3dfx people saying the pictures are from Rampage
    and
    B) We've got HardwareExpert saying they aren't...

    hmm... who are you going to believe, us or him?

    I may be going out on a limb here, but I think I'll trust the 3dfx employees.

    By AMD_Forever January 25, 2001, 12:07 AM

    quote:Originally posted by SlartyB:
    Thank you. You have no idea what that means to me personally. A lot of people sweat blood for that part.

    AMD_Forever - I hope that was a joke >|

    i take it you're the ex 3dfx engineer? well, if its any consolation, im sure it would have been a great product when finalized. Personally, ive always thought 3dfx the best above all due to stability. did a via user ever have to disable features on 3dfx cards like they did on nvidia cards?

    3dfx kick(ed) ass!
    if only the 5500 had tv out i would have bought by now.

    By SlartyB January 25, 2001, 02:55 AM

    quote:Originally posted by bpost34:
    Dave and Slarty - Apply for Jobs at ATI!!! Join forces against the [b]e(n)Vi(dia)l empire!!!!

    [/B]

    Already have but they didn't want me - silly buggers :P

    Doesn't matter though - I have landed a job at a pre-IPO graphics company doing what I love most ..... ummm, well, actually I can't tell you what I am doing because of the NDA. Let's just say I'm very happy

    By SlartyB January 25, 2001, 03:01 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bateluer:
    3Dfx's engineers were indeed among the best. It is my hope that Nvidia will make good use of them.

    As for the two x3Dfx'ers in this thread, are you currently employed by Nvidia?

    Thank you.
    And "no" I am not working for nVidia - though most of my freinds are Don't actually know why I am not there, except for a kind act of God maybe. Can't tell you any more than that. Doesn't matter though - I am happily employed at another (non-PC) graphics company.

    By SlartyB January 25, 2001, 03:04 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    i take it you're the ex 3dfx engineer? well, if its any consolation, im sure it would have been a great product when finalized. Personally, ive always thought 3dfx the best above all due to stability. did a via user ever have to disable features on 3dfx cards like they did on nvidia cards?

    3dfx kick(ed) ass!
    if only the 5500 had tv out i would have bought by now.

    Thank you for your kind words. Since most of my 3dfx freinds went to nVidia - and I know them personally to be world class engineers - I would hope that the spirit of 3dfx will live on in nVidia and that you will see some of the cool stuff they were working on eventually make it's way into nVidia's products. But that is rather up to nVidia - so we'll see!

    By The_Sharq January 25, 2001, 01:24 PM

    what the heck is x3dfx?

    By SlartyB January 25, 2001, 02:21 PM

    quote:Originally posted by The_Sharq:
    what the heck is x3dfx?

    Ummm... 'x' as in 'ex' as in "no longer working for" 3dfx.

    It is also the name of a newsgroup for - would you believe - ex-3dfx employees.


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