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  • SharkyForums.Com - Print: star trek ships

    star trek ships
    By AMD_Forever December 16, 2000, 08:44 PM

    I pose a question to all sharky forum posting star trek viewers. What ships do you think fit the following.

    Ship with greatest Look -
    Ship with best combat power -
    ship with best AWE factor -


    btw my answers are Romulan Warbird, Borg Cube, and Romulan Warbird/Cube


    anyone have any other opinions on star trek ships? post here. also, feel free to change direction of the thread to star trek ships versus star wars ships. happy posting.

    By Pinky December 16, 2000, 08:50 PM

    I've always been a fan of the Next Generation series, so that modern Enterprise gets my pick. Those Borg Cubes are badass though....very intimidating!

    By Fuzzball December 16, 2000, 08:55 PM

    Delta flyer
    Borg Cube
    Defiant

    By AMD_Forever December 16, 2000, 08:59 PM

    i didn't even think of delta flyer.
    defiant as awe factor winner? well i suppose considering its really fast, small, manueverable, and has the most advanced weapons in the fleet.

    By BoogyMan December 16, 2000, 09:06 PM

    I think I'd take an Imperial Star Destroyer over any 'Trek ship.

    What else has the size and firepower of these things?

    By AMD_Forever December 16, 2000, 09:09 PM

    star destroyers use lasers. in one tng episode worf says lasers can't penetrate even the navigational shields of the enterprise D. but still, imperial star destroyers have great oooo ahhhh factor.

    By Fuzzball December 16, 2000, 09:13 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    i didn't even think of delta flyer.
    defiant as awe factor winner? well i suppose considering its really fast, small, manueverable, and has the most advanced weapons in the fleet.

    Don't forget cloaking capability.

    By AMD_Forever December 16, 2000, 09:21 PM

    yes but romulan warbirds do that and still look schweet.

    anywho, technically the defiant is only allowed to use the device in the gamma quadrant under the agreement with the romulans yadda yadda yadda

    By Fuzzball December 16, 2000, 09:23 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    yes but romulan warbirds do that and still look schweet.

    anywho, technically the defiant is only allowed to use the device in the gamma quadrant under the agreement with the romulans yadda yadda yadda


    If I was captain, I'd design my own cloaking device and say screw the Romulans. Or would that not be in regulations of some other agreement?

    By AMD_Forever December 16, 2000, 10:08 PM

    that would violate the treaty of algeron
    that treaty gave the federation a peace with the romulans and barred the federation from developing cloaking technology. this is why in the next generation episode "pegasus" the bad guy gets in trouble for experimenting with a cloak on the uss pegasus.

    By GHz December 16, 2000, 10:41 PM

    We are the borg
    Lower your shields and surrender your ships
    Your technological and biological distinctiveness will be added to our own
    Your culture will adapt to service ours
    Resistance is futile.

    Nothing can mess with a borg cube, put an imperial star destroyer in the middle of unimatrix 001 and they would be assimilated in a second.

    The borg, there the only reason i like star trek.

    The borg cube is the baddest ship in the galaxy, and the borg queen ship, (the diamond in Star Trek: Armada) looks cool as hell.

    By blppt December 16, 2000, 10:42 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    I pose a question to all sharky forum posting star trek viewers. What ships do you think fit the following.

    Ship with greatest Look -
    Ship with best combat power -
    ship with best AWE factor -


    btw my answers are Romulan Warbird, Borg Cube, and Romulan Warbird/Galaxy Class/Cube


    anyone have any other opinions on star trek ships? post here. also, feel free to change direction of the thread to star trek ships versus star wars ships. happy posting.


    Ugh I hate the D Enterprise. Very Bulbous and looks like a cruise liner (which considering how often it got its butt kicked, and all the families on board is an apt description). The E looks like an ass kicker though. Ive always been partial to the Enterprise A and the orginal enterprise after the refit. Very balanced and angular.

    By dighn December 17, 2000, 12:17 AM

    A. The Enterprise-E (NCC-1701-E) and USS Voyager are the best looking ships I have seen in ALL sci-fi tv showes/movies!!!
    B. Species 8472 bioships from ST: Voyager - 10 of those can destroy a moon with just one shot! Even tactical borg cubes are no match for these.
    C. The Enterprise from one of the episodes in TNG where Picard creates an "antitime" anomaly(techno-babble I know ) from 3 different time periods. In the last time period the Enterprise commanded by Riker has a cloaking device, 3 port nacelles and a main phaser under the saucer section. It dropped out of warp, decloaked and destroyed 2 klingon ships with just a few shots... the phaser beams went right through their shields and ships. Anyone remember that?

    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 12:19 AM

    the original enterprise was stupid. fired 2 lousy ass phasers in straight line forward. viewing the D from the top it does look stupid, viewing from the bottom front it looks mean with that deflector dish. why don't they just use the damn deflectors as big ass guns all the time? anyways yes sometimes the D looks really bad, other times it actually looks like a starship. still, the awe factor of a huge looking romulan warbird dropping cloak right in front of you and firing disruptors is total kick-ass-ness.

    By Adisharr December 17, 2000, 02:49 AM

    quote:Originally posted by dighn:
    B. Species 8472 bioships from ST: Voyager - 10 of those can destroy a moon with just one shot! Even tactical borg cubes are no match for these.

    C. The Enterprise from one of the episodes in TNG where Picard creates an "antitime" anomaly(techno-babble I know ) from 3 different time periods. In the last time period the Enterprise commanded by Riker has a cloaking device, 3 port nacelles and a main phaser under the saucer section. It dropped out of warp, decloaked and destroyed 2 klingon ships with just a few shots... the phaser beams went right through their shields and ships. Anyone remember that?

    B. Cool ships but a few nanobots and they're history

    C. That was a mean looking ship. Warp went up to 12 or something didn't it?

    By blppt December 17, 2000, 02:52 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Adisharr:
    B. Cool ships but a few nanobots and they're history

    C. That was a mean looking ship. Warp went up to 12 or something didn't it?

    Which of course didnt make any sense considering warp 10 allows you to exist at all points in the universe at once. Paris attained warp 10 in Voyager. One of the many trek inconsistancies. ;-)

    By Adisharr December 17, 2000, 02:54 AM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    Which of course didnt make any sense considering warp 10 allows you to exist at all points in the universe at once. Paris attained warp 10 in Voyager. One of the many trek inconsistancies. ;-)

    Hmm.. I did not know that.. What the hell does warp mean anyway? How fast?

    By dighn December 17, 2000, 03:08 AM

    .

    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 03:17 AM

    according to janeway upon arrival in the delta quadrant it would take 70 years to travel the 70,000 light years back to earth at a speed of warp 6. therefore warp 6 is 1000 times the speed of light


    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 05:00 AM

    live long and prosper my thread!
    keep posting people.

    By Klashe December 17, 2000, 01:04 PM

    -Enterprise E. Definetly Coolest ship.
    -The enterprise from "All good things" the series finale of ST:TNG, had a phaser cannon that was made to moduate the frequency constantly so the borg couldn't adapt (I read that in a tech manual). That's why it was able to destroy those klingon ships. That gets my vote for 2nd coolest.
    -I can't stand the delta flyer. I always liked runabouts though.

    By GHz December 17, 2000, 02:16 PM

    Alright once and for all:

    A.Ship with greatest look: Tactical Borg cube from Unimatrix Zero, new look to a borg with armor plating, its big as hell, by the way i see it, 200+ decks, and have you seen the Central Plexus.

    B. Ship with best combat power: Tactical Borg cube from Unimatrix Zero, Multi-regentative sheilds, transwarp drive, smart addaptive weapons, collective mind of its crew, etc, etc.

    C. Ship with greatest AWE factor: You guessed it... Tactical Borg Cube from Unimatrix Zero, both A and B combined and oh yeah the problem with Species 8472 was solved in Scorpion so the Borg are more unstoppable that they ever were.

    By blppt December 17, 2000, 02:23 PM

    quote:Originally posted by GHz:
    Alright once and for all:

    A.Ship with greatest look: Tactical Borg cube from Unimatrix Zero, new look to a borg with armor plating, its big as hell, by the way i see it, 200+ decks, and have you seen the Central Plexus.

    B. Ship with best combat power: Tactical Borg cube from Unimatrix Zero, Multi-regentative sheilds, transwarp drive, smart addaptive weapons, collective mind of its crew, etc, etc.

    C. Ship with greatest AWE factor: You guessed it... Tactical Borg Cube from Unimatrix Zero, both A and B combined and oh yeah the problem with Species 8472 was solved in Scorpion so the Borg are more unstoppable that they ever were.


    Too bad the Borg are such dumbasses. They get my vote for "most underutilized brute force". I mean come on. Getting beat by the dinky little Voyager, her incompetant crew, and her bitchy captain again and again? Heehee. ;-)

    By GHz December 17, 2000, 03:20 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:

    Too bad the Borg are such dumbasses. They get my vote for "most underutilized brute force". I mean come on. Getting beat by the dinky little Voyager, her incompetant crew, and her bitchy captain again and again? Heehee. ;-)


    Where would Star Trek be if the Borg actually assimilated the Federation in Best of Both Worlds, there would be no Star Trek, it just plain politics, humans always win cause its written by humans, and yes I know I am human and not borg.

    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 04:02 PM

    my thread........must........beat......the knights........thread..........in............overall posts................

    By GHz December 17, 2000, 04:05 PM

    You got a long way to go.

    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 04:17 PM

    hey GHz. in your signature, it should be biological and technological not the way you have it. so, uh, booya! and do you play startrek armada or something?

    By GHz December 17, 2000, 04:22 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    hey GHz. in your signature, it should be biological and technological not the way you have it. so, uh, booya! and do you play startrek armada or something?

    Thanks for the correction, Ill make sure to change it. And yes I play startek armada. do u? its a pretty cool game though i thought the size of the borg ships were too small as compared to the other ships in the game.

    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 04:26 PM

    as a matter of fact I do! my problems with the game are that a) wormholes are not that abundant ANYWHERE b) neither are nebulae c)the borg ARE underpower cause when I build a borg cube, let's just say it's not a flashback of wolf359 cause my cube certainly doesnt kill 40 starships at once on its own. and um my other problem is in the missions with Toral, even if you cheat with the money code and send an entire fleet, the ship of his is NOT killable. Thank you. Have a nice day. Ghz, i haven't checked to see if you have ICQ, but if you dont go get it and add 21441556 to your list. thats me

    By GHz December 17, 2000, 05:16 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    as a matter of fact I do! my problems with the game are that a) wormholes are not that abundant ANYWHERE b) neither are nebulae c)the borg ARE underpower cause when I build a borg cube, let's just say it's not a flashback of wolf359 cause my cube certainly doesnt kill 40 starships at once on its own. and um my other problem is in the missions with Toral, even if you cheat with the money code and send an entire fleet, the ship of his is NOT killable. Thank you. Have a nice day. Ghz, i haven't checked to see if you have ICQ, but if you dont go get it and add 21441556 to your list. thats me

    You got a some good points there AMD and I totally agree with you. They need to make that game more reallistic, like a borg cube should have around 500,000 drones not 1000. Anyway as for ICQ, I have an ICQ number but I cant remember it off the top of my head, I hardly use it, but when im on again I'll make sure to add you.

    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 09:03 PM

    *must keep the post alive, burning, and at the top*

    By Bataar December 17, 2000, 09:15 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    I pose a question to all sharky forum posting star trek viewers. What ships do you think fit the following.

    Ship with greatest Look -
    Ship with best combat power -
    ship with best AWE factor -


    btw my answers are Romulan Warbird, Borg Cube, and Romulan Warbird/Galaxy Class/Cube


    anyone have any other opinions on star trek ships? post here. also, feel free to change direction of the thread to star trek ships versus star wars ships. happy posting.

    Greatest look: Enterprise E
    Best comabt power: USS Prometheus
    Greatest awe factor: Borg Cube

    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 09:27 PM

    the prometheus could be spanked by a borg tactical cube. i'm sure tactical cubes have at least 3 beam emitors (spelled correctly) and that means lock on to all 3 parts, hold them in place, and fire a stream of 15 torpedoes at each section. b-o-o-m.

    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 09:40 PM

    i read another thread somewhere on some forum ( i forgot which one ) that was deathstar versus borg cube. who do you think would win? i say its the cube. beam 100,000 drones onboard and there you have it. ALSO the cube isn't going to just sit there and be hit by the death star's primary weapon, so thats out. AND even if a borg cube was hit by the "big gun" the borg would already have drones over there and the death star would be assimlated. kinda like in first contact when the sphere is destroyed but drones still got over. AND even if the cube was destroyed and no drones got over that cube could STILL have sent out a transmission telling the next cube what the big ass lasers modulation was and then the next cube would be totally invincible. ALSO the above is totally invalid because it's doubtful ANY star wars weapon could do shit to a star trek type of shield. any replys?

    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 09:55 PM

    cmon anyone at ALL????

    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 10:19 PM

    *sob sob*
    MY THREAD IS DYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    for just a post an hour you can save a litte threads life. call 1-800-save-a-thread. that's right just a post an hour and this thread can have an education, medical care, and a long life.

    are you people HEARTLESS??

    By GHz December 17, 2000, 10:23 PM

    Hey AMD, its back on top again. woohoo

    By AMD_Forever December 17, 2000, 11:11 PM

    *I WILL NOT LET THIS POST DIE! IF YOU ALL WON'T POST I'LL ARTIFICIALLY KEEP IT AFLOAT!*

    By GHz December 17, 2000, 11:57 PM

    Hey, I know I'm all about the borg and all, but I just remembered something, a ship I think that might even give the borg problems, its not a cool looking ship, but its combat and AWE factor is amazing. Remember in Star Trek I, i forget the name of it, but its the first movie for star trek, that ship V'Ger, now that one big ass ship 82AU big if I remember correctly.

    Hey AMD, dont worry, I'll help you keep this post alive.

    By Adisharr December 18, 2000, 12:11 AM

    quote:Originally posted by GHz:
    Hey, I know I'm all about the borg and all, but I just remembered something, a ship I think that might even give the borg problems, its not a cool looking ship, but its combat and AWE factor is amazing. Remember in Star Trek I, i forget the name of it, but its the first movie for star trek, that ship V'Ger, now that one big ass ship 82AU big if I remember correctly.

    Hey AMD, dont worry, I'll help you keep this post alive.

    Yeah.. V'ger makes the Borg cube look like a sugercube..

    Anyone remember a voyager episode where they went forward in time or something and the DOC ended up on this advanced federation ship that was fully automated and could split into three pieces that could each attack targets seperately?

    Can't remember what they called it.. Looked cool..

    $ .02


    By Fuzzball December 18, 2000, 01:01 AM

    I would think that there would be a few more people into Star Trek than this. Common people.

    By Bataar December 18, 2000, 01:16 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Adisharr:
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by GHz:
    [b]Hey, I know I'm all about the borg and all, but I just remembered something, a ship I think that might even give the borg problems, its not a cool looking ship, but its combat and AWE factor is amazing. Remember in Star Trek I, i forget the name of it, but its the first movie for star trek, that ship V'Ger, now that one big ass ship 82AU big if I remember correctly.

    Hey AMD, dont worry, I'll help you keep this post alive.

    Yeah.. V'ger makes the Borg cube look like a sugercube..

    Anyone remember a voyager episode where they went forward in time or something and the DOC ended up on this advanced federation ship that was fully automated and could split into three pieces that could each attack targets seperately?

    Can't remember what they called it.. Looked cool..

    $ .02


    [/B][/QUOTE]

    Yeah, that is the Prometheus I mentioned above. It got my choice for best combat ship.

    By Fuzzball December 18, 2000, 03:57 AM

    I forgot about the Prometheus. Yeah, I'd like to sit there and spit out orders to the computer. "Attack pattern Epsilon 3."

    Epsilon 3 is a cool place to visit too (Babylon 5 universe).

    By Adisharr December 18, 2000, 11:28 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Yeah, that is the Prometheus I mentioned above. It got my choice for best combat ship.

    Ahh..cool. I thought that might be it because I never heard of that ship b/f

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 18, 2000, 12:08 PM

    Ship with greatest Look - The Defiant
    Ship with best combat power - The Defiant
    Ship with best AWE factor - The Defiant


    Can you tell that I like the Defiant?

    Hey, the Defiant took 8 blasts, with its sheilds down, from a Klingon (sp?) Battle Ship without suffering too much damage. That ain't exactly an easy thing to do.

    The Galaxy Class ships (the original size, that is) actually inspire quite a bit of awe, as do the big Romulan Warbirds.

    While the Borg Cube may pack the biggest punch, it just sucks. It is a beatable thing (hell, the Enterprise-D, by herself, took one out).

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 18, 2000, 12:10 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Adisharr:
    C. That was a mean looking ship. Warp went up to 12 or something didn't it?

    It was doing warp 13, and it was crusing.

    By Fuzzball December 18, 2000, 12:15 PM

    They probably changed the warp scale again. Maybe they were using the old scale from TOS.

    By Bataar December 18, 2000, 12:40 PM

    The Borg ships just look impressive but I don't know why the Federation is so scared of them. Hell, they've kicked thier ass every time the Borg has attacked. Even Voyager by itself in the Delta Quadrant has been able to lay the smack down on the Borg

    By AMD_Forever December 18, 2000, 12:49 PM

    V'ger I have never seen. BUT I can tell you this, size matters not (in the immortal words of Yoda). The advanced technology on a cube could still give the cube enough of an advantage to beat V'Ger. As for Voyager beating the Borg, well, It sucks AND it's never really been Voyager versus cube in firefight, because we know what would happen. It's always voyager having something the borg need, voyager having alien help, voyager with a 29th century drone onboard to help. ALSO keep in mind that seven did screw with voyagers systems a LOT making them REALLY well equipped to fight borg. As for the Enterprise E destroying that cube, A) it was in a vulnerable spot that picard knew of beacuse he had been assimilated and B) it took what was left of the fleet to put enough fire into that spot. Granted, the Borg have lost some of their AWE factor and Scare factor, expecially with the introduction of the stupid Queen concept, but the Borg still kick ass. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!!!

    By GHz December 18, 2000, 01:00 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    The Borg ships just look impressive but I don't know why the Federation is so scared of them. Hell, they've kicked thier ass every time the Borg has attacked. Even Voyager by itself in the Delta Quadrant has been able to lay the smack down on the Borg

    Cmon now, cant you see the politics in this, if the Borg was to assimilate the Federation where would Star Trek be. Look at it in a realistic point of view, a race of super human cybernetic beings that has aquired technology from countless assimilations of other races and they cant beat the Federation. How come they can easily defeat and assimilate other races but not the Federation? Because the writers of Star Trek are human and without the Federation there would be no Star Trek. If this was real and not science fiction, the Borg would have assimilated the Federation and the rest of the Alpha Quadrant in Best of Both Worlds.

    And as for Voyager attacking the Tactical Cube in Unimatrix Zero, not once was did the Borg use a tractor beam. Cmon now, the writers of that episode knew that if the Borg just grabed Voyager with its trusty old tractor beam and beam over 100 drones to the ship the episode would have been over and poop no more Voyager which would have been good in one way, but in another we would no longer have any Star Trek to watch, just the Borg assimilating everybody else. You know how politics is, the good guys always has to win, which pisses me off sometimes

    By Klashe December 18, 2000, 03:18 PM

    Boy, when sci fi afficiandos (read: geeks, me included) start argueing , DUCK AND COVER!

    By Klashe December 18, 2000, 03:20 PM

    Double Post! My first one! I'll be genetic shark in no time if I keep this up!

    By blppt December 18, 2000, 04:15 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    the prometheus could be spanked by a borg tactical cube. i'm sure tactical cubes have at least 3 beam emitors (spelled correctly) and that means lock on to all 3 parts, hold them in place, and fire a stream of 15 torpedoes at each section. b-o-o-m.

    Yeah, but apparently even the most incompetant Starfleet crew on a weak Intrepid class ship like Voyager can fool the Borg. Put any decent crew on the Prometheus and the Borg might have some problems. ;-)

    By AMD_Forever December 18, 2000, 04:16 PM

    Anywho I still think Romulan Warbirds kick ass. Since NO ONE has EVER seen a Warbird in a DIRECT fire fight except in a few DS9 episodes and in TOS, I'm wondering if anyone would care to list what ships they think can crush a Warbird, after which I will make a clever rebuttal about how they are wrong and how a Warbird STILL kicks ass. Thank you. have a nice day.
    hmmm I've been putting that "thank you have a nice day" at the end of my messages a lot................anyone think I should modify my signature?

    VOTE REPUBLICAN!! THE BORG ARE REPUBLICAN!!

    By blppt December 18, 2000, 04:22 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:
    Ship with greatest Look - The Defiant
    Ship with best combat power - The Defiant
    Ship with best AWE factor - The Defiant


    Can you tell that I like the Defiant?

    Hey, the Defiant took 8 blasts, with its sheilds down, from a Klingon (sp?) Battle Ship without suffering too much damage. That ain't exactly an easy thing to do.

    The Galaxy Class ships (the original size, that is) actually inspire quite a bit of awe, as do the big Romulan Warbirds.

    While the Borg Cube may pack the biggest punch, it just sucks. It is a beatable thing (hell, the Enterprise-D, by herself, took one out).

    Thats because Captain Picard lectured it to death.

    "Fire Strong Letter, Mr. Worf!"

    By nerf December 18, 2000, 04:39 PM

    the all time bad ass star trek ship never made it to the movie but was in print only. read "dreadnought" this was the ultimate Fed battle wagon. there also was a STNG where the ship could phase in and out making it impossible to attack, like a clocking device, i can not remember the episode.
    nerf

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 18, 2000, 04:41 PM

    Crush a Romulan Warbird? Look at the Dominion fleet. They came through and crushed a huge fleet of both Romulan and Klingon Warbirds in one of the DS9 episodes.

    Now, the Defiant could take out a Romulan Warbird, one on one. The Defiant was designed to dish and take an incredible amount of damage. It ended up trashing lots of Dominion ships. I like that.

    The Enterprise-D could take out a Romulan Warbird for one main reason, it's the Enterprise.

    By GHz December 18, 2000, 04:58 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    Anywho I still think Romulan Warbirds kick ass. Since NO ONE has EVER seen a Warbird in a DIRECT fire fight except in a few DS9 episodes and in TOS, I'm wondering if anyone would care to list what ships they think can crush a Warbird, after which I will make a clever rebuttal about how they are wrong and how a Warbird STILL kicks ass. Thank you. have a nice day.
    hmmm I've been putting that "thank you have a nice day" at the end of my messages a lot................anyone think I should modify my signature?

    VOTE REPUBLICAN!! THE BORG ARE REPUBLICAN!!

    Hmmm.....lets see..................how about a borg tactical cube...or even just a plain old cube. Your romulan warbird better not dare decloak.

    By AMD_Forever December 18, 2000, 05:00 PM

    no, the defiant COULDN'T take out a romulan warbird. BECAUSE umm umm umm because romulan warbirds have a really big disruptor cannon!

    ah to hell with it.
    romulan warbirds still look the coolest.
    and if romulan warbirds do officially have a shield inversion beam as seen in Star Trek Armada, then the warbird would win.

    By AMD_Forever December 18, 2000, 05:01 PM

    klingons suck. just wanted to say that.

    responses?

    By AMD_Forever December 18, 2000, 05:26 PM

    cmon. you know you wanna respond. you know you wanna say klingons are honorable, when all they really are is horny animalistic creatures using honor as an excuse to kill!

    By GHz December 18, 2000, 05:33 PM

    I really dont care for klingons, or romulans, or cardasians, or all those other races out in the Star Trek universe. It's all about the borg baby!!!! Get rid of the politics in script writing and make it more realistic and the whole galaxy is going to be saying "We are one"

    By AMD_Forever December 18, 2000, 05:43 PM

    romulans kick ass. they're imperialistic, know when they need to kick the ass of some stupid bitches, and aren't based on brute force. tal shiar baby!!! klingons suck. bad. as for cardasians, i might have been rooting for the bad guys all the way through ds9 if not for gul dukat being so stupid.

    By blppt December 18, 2000, 07:08 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:
    Crush a Romulan Warbird? Look at the Dominion fleet. They came through and crushed a huge fleet of both Romulan and Klingon Warbirds in one of the DS9 episodes.

    Now, the Defiant could take out a Romulan Warbird, one on one. The Defiant was designed to dish and take an incredible amount of damage. It ended up trashing lots of Dominion ships. I like that.

    The Enterprise-D could take out a Romulan Warbird for one main reason, it's the Enterprise.

    Didnt the Enterprise D get taken out by two Klingon light cruisers in an episode? And they were commanded by Ferengi!

    Further proof that the Enterprise D is a Carnival Cruise Ship.

    Also---does anybody remember the episode when Sisko brang a Galaxy class ship through the wormhole and one hit to its 'starboard power coupling' and it was defeated? Now theres a tough class of ship! ;-)

    By AMD_Forever December 18, 2000, 07:19 PM

    galaxies are science vessels and not meant for conflict (no matter what any trek manual type of thing says). romulan warbird, now theres a fighter. oh wait, its just a impressive scary looking thing. conclusion-the only real battleships are the defiant, and all cardasain klingon and dominion ships

    By AMD_Forever December 18, 2000, 07:51 PM

    ^BUMP^

    LIVE THREAD LIVE DAMNIT!
    NEVER GIVE UP!

    By dighn December 18, 2000, 08:32 PM

    V'ger? Dreadnought? what are those??


    btw in the episode with the antitime anomalies, why is the last enterprise so powerful? is it becuase it's a warship/prototype?

    By GHz December 18, 2000, 08:52 PM

    quote:Originally posted by dighn:
    V'ger? Dreadnought? what are those??


    btw in the episode with the antitime anomalies, why is the last enterprise so powerful? is it becuase it's a warship/prototype?

    Go to http://www.startrek.com/library/episodes_movies.asp?ID=69040. V'Ger is from the first movie for Star Trek, Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

    By blppt December 18, 2000, 09:15 PM

    quote:Originally posted by dighn:
    V'ger? Dreadnought? what are those??


    btw in the episode with the antitime anomalies, why is the last enterprise so powerful? is it becuase it's a warship/prototype?

    Dreadnought....that was a book by the same name in the original Star Trek series. Well, actually it was Dreadnought!

    By blppt December 18, 2000, 09:17 PM

    By the way, has anyone played Starfleet Command by Interplay? Thats a great game. I play it a lot. There is one hell of a lot of dreadnoughts in the game. One for every race. Check it out. It should be pretty cheap; it came out a year ago or so.

    By Bataar December 18, 2000, 09:29 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    Anywho I still think Romulan Warbirds kick ass. Since NO ONE has EVER seen a Warbird in a DIRECT fire fight except in a few DS9 episodes and in TOS, I'm wondering if anyone would care to list what ships they think can crush a Warbird, after which I will make a clever rebuttal about how they are wrong and how a Warbird STILL kicks ass. Thank you. have a nice day.
    hmmm I've been putting that "thank you have a nice day" at the end of my messages a lot................anyone think I should modify my signature?

    VOTE REPUBLICAN!! THE BORG ARE REPUBLICAN!!

    Actually, in the Voyager episode Message In a Bottle, the Prometheus destroyed a Romulan Warbird and it was only commanded by 2 EMHs who knew nothing about ship controls. With an experienced crew, the Prometheus would dominate anything.

    By AMD_Forever December 18, 2000, 10:29 PM

    ya well that was a prototpye. give the romulans time to improve their ships against the new weaponry.

    By dighn December 19, 2000, 12:46 AM

    OH i saw that movie twice.. the v'ger... "voyager" of course
    i just didn't recgonize that name... well i think the borg doesn't stand a chance against that thing... in the end it turned into a noncorporeal lifeform, hehehe borg would have a hell of a time try8ng to assimilate that...

    and romualn ships aren't that tough... a lot of things can destory one of those

    By GHz December 19, 2000, 12:57 AM

    Hey new poll for all you trekies out there. How many of you have Star Trek: Armada, and think that the game is too damn short? Cmon now only four missions with the Borg, I beat the damn thing in one day Its too damn short if you ask me.

    By Bataar December 19, 2000, 01:14 AM

    Star Trek Armada was sooo disappointing. Only 4 missions, controls were horrible, and there was really no difference between the sides. They all had ships and structures that were basically the same. I really liked the intro though. When Worf flies the Defiant between the wings of the Warbird and drops those bombs...That kicked ass.

    By GHz December 19, 2000, 02:13 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Star Trek Armada was sooo disappointing. Only 4 missions, controls were horrible, and there was really no difference between the sides. They all had ships and structures that were basically the same. I really liked the intro though. When Worf flies the Defiant between the wings of the Warbird and drops those bombs...That kicked ass.

    And another thing, the Federation HAD to win again didnt they. They had to find some wacked out excuse for the Federation to win even though in the fourth mission with the Borg they assimilate earth. Politics as usual.

    By Captain Iglo December 19, 2000, 04:38 AM

    best looking: Jem'Hadar cruiser (not the smallest ones, the mid ranged size)
    maximum overkill: Cube
    awe factor: Klingon Battleship

    By Captain Iglo December 19, 2000, 07:00 AM

    the worst thing in the star trek universe are inconsistencies - warp scale is a good example, warp 13 in an Enterprise-D episode, warp ten = unlimited speed in Voyager - this suxx, because every sensible being would use an open scale (like Richter's quake scale) for speed.

    Dominion's disruptor cannons are VERY effective at first against Fed ships, the Defiant is brought up after taking a few hits by Dominion standard vessels, later, the same class is more like cannon fodder for Fed warships.

    any other example??

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 19, 2000, 10:52 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    romulan warbirds still look the coolest.

    I'm not disagreeing with you on that.

    Hey, I just thought of something fun to do with the Defiant to take out a Romulan Warbird. It should just fly through the shields, get into that big space in the ship, and fire.

    By AMD_Forever December 19, 2000, 12:02 PM

    but things can't fly through shields. unless you count the opening movie of st:armada. or unless you count the tng episode where ro laren goes bad and bring a shuttle through the D's shields. but she did some funky *insert technobabble* stuff to do that.

    By BoogyMan December 19, 2000, 12:04 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    but things can't fly through shields. unless you count the opening movie of st:armada. or unless you count the tng episode where ro laren goes bad and bring a shuttle through the D's shields. but she did some funky *insert technobabble* stuff to do that.


    Hey AMD, can I mention the sweet alien ships from Wing Commander:Prophecy?

    By Captain Iglo December 19, 2000, 01:05 PM

    does anyone have an idea of what the warp scale actually is?

    warp 6.2 is supposed to be around 1000 times the speed of light, is warp 9.95 (Voyagers specified maximum speed) twice as fast, 30 percent faster or what?

    PS: static battle is not realistic: think of the Defiant fly through a Warbird's shields at warp factor 0.7, while it is performing a missile/torpedo evasive maneuver! no chance for them to avoid a collision. kamikaze not welcome, battles are generally far to slow paced!

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 19, 2000, 01:14 PM

    quote:Originally posted by BoogyMan:

    Hey AMD, can I mention the sweet alien ships from Wing Commander:Prophecy?


    Good point! I forgot about those. I shredded them, but they were sweet! I love 'em!

    By GHz December 19, 2000, 02:19 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
    does anyone have an idea of what the warp scale actually is?

    warp 6.2 is supposed to be around 1000 times the speed of light, is warp 9.95 (Voyagers specified maximum speed) twice as fast, 30 percent faster or what?

    PS: static battle is not realistic: think of the Defiant fly through a Warbird's shields at warp factor 0.7, while it is performing a missile/torpedo evasive maneuver! no chance for them to avoid a collision. kamikaze not welcome, battles are generally far to slow paced!

    Im not to sure about the actual numbers on the warp factor, but I know that it is done geometrically thus it is an exponetial function that has a vertical asymntope at x=10, since at Warp Factor 10 is infinite velocity,(limit as x approaches 10 is infinite) and has has has and x,y coordinate of (1,1) since Warp Factor 1 = 1c. I'll try to figure out the equation if I have time.

    Great now you really know im a nerd . Looks like all of my Calculus classes I have been complaining about is paying off. Now if only physics would.

    By blppt December 19, 2000, 02:38 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    but things can't fly through shields. unless you count the opening movie of st:armada. or unless you count the tng episode where ro laren goes bad and bring a shuttle through the D's shields. but she did some funky *insert technobabble* stuff to do that.

    Actually, if remember correctly, she didnt do jack. Worf detected her trying to get through the shields, and Picard let her through. ;-)

    By AMD_Forever December 19, 2000, 03:09 PM

    blppt what do you want from me? i can't remember it ALL!

    By blppt December 19, 2000, 05:07 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    blppt what do you want from me? i can't remember it ALL!


    Jeez, dude calm down. I wasnt insulting you.

    By AMD_Forever December 19, 2000, 05:15 PM

    it was supposed to be a joke. not a harsh statement.

    By Rick_James9 December 19, 2000, 05:38 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    I pose a question to all sharky forum posting star trek viewers. What ships do you think fit the following.

    Ship with greatest Look -
    Ship with best combat power -
    ship with best AWE factor -


    btw my answers are Romulan Warbird, Borg Cube, and Romulan Warbird/Galaxy Class/Cube


    anyone have any other opinions on star trek ships? post here. also, feel free to change direction of the thread to star trek ships versus star wars ships. happy posting.

    Klingon Bird of Prey
    The Voyager
    The BORG cube


    By Un4given December 19, 2000, 06:57 PM

    I think they're all pussy ships. Give me a can of chili, a buritto, and Bic lighter...I will destroy them all!

    By BoogyMan December 19, 2000, 06:58 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Un4given:
    I think they're all pussy ships. Give me a can of chili, a buritto, and Bic lighter...I will destroy them all!


    And THAT, my friend, is why you are un4given...

    By Un4given December 19, 2000, 07:04 PM

    quote:Originally posted by BoogyMan:

    And THAT, my friend, is why you are un4given...


    Funny. I get a lot that...and I don't know why?

    By Captain Iglo December 20, 2000, 04:57 AM

    it must be some rational function, but this means that warp 9.95 is MUCH faster than 6.2 (1000*sol) so flying at 9.9 even for short periods would reduce flight time by quite a lot! 100 years at 6.2 ,(just guessing) 5 years at 9.95... this is disappointing, because it makes the galaxy look really small.......
    same for Quantum slipstream and Trans-Warp, these technologies have a huge impact on the star trek universe, i think they should be more careful, because once u can cross the galaxy in 2 weeks, things just get too thick, no force buildups in interstellar cloud formations, no tactical requiremnets and so on. i mean this planet (real life) is cloaked, and fiction should be different!
    one example: who needs a Captain if the starfleet can contact him/her anytime even in the Delta Q ? (see micro wormhole episode in Voyager) this kind of technology takes ALL of the captain's independence!
    this world is stubborn and bureaucratic, why must star trek be the same??

    man, space is the final frontier, the feeling got lost somewhere.

    By Captain Iglo December 20, 2000, 12:02 PM

    hello, again, sorry for serial posting, BUT

    in an episode, the Voyager BEAMS a photon torpedo on a small borg ship (long range probe) to destroy it... man! that's like choking somebody with a 0.50 cal. bullet!
    torpedoes definitely need to be fired!

    those star trek writers don't seem to get the notion...

    By Avon December 20, 2000, 03:04 PM

    Sorry, but I don't think that there is any Star Trek ship as cool as the Liberator. But one thing bothers me. How come all these space ships have those lovely, big, ultra high quality, viewing screens and you never, ever, see anyone playing games on them. I mean, I'm not talking about when the ships are on red alert, but, you know, when things are quiet. There was an episode of B7 when the crew played space age monopoly with Orac, but that was it.

    By AMD_Forever December 20, 2000, 03:23 PM

    voyager's maximum speed is warp 9.975
    that is all.

    and about star trek losing some of it's final frontier appeal. i agree totally. voyager has taken away all the trek-ness to make it appeal to a bunch of crackheads who watch UPN. ie putting the rock in the voy episode tsunkatse. and giving a borg "enhanced" breasts.
    voyager is nothing but an attempt to make money and it blows ass because of it.

    By Avon December 20, 2000, 03:28 PM

    Actually, voyager is the only one of the Star Treks which I would go out of my way to watch. The original series has nostalgia value (and Mr Spok) and TNG and DS9 had their moments, but on the whole I think that Voyager is the best of the bunch. But maybe I'm biased because I think it's the least sexist and has more nerve than the others. Although the original did have the first inter racial kiss on network Tv and DS9 did have Dax and the other lady, although they made sure to point out that in a past life she'd been a man.

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 20, 2000, 03:44 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Avon:
    Actually, voyager is the only one of the Star Treks which I would go out of my way to watch. The original series has nostalgia value (and Mr Spok) and TNG and DS9 had their moments, but on the whole I think that Voyager is the best of the bunch. But maybe I'm biased because I think it's the least sexist and has more nerve than the others. Although the original did have the first inter racial kiss on network Tv and DS9 did have Dax and the other lady, although they made sure to point out that in a past life she'd been a man.

    Actually, having Dax once being a man builds more into her character. She understands both of the sexes better than practically anyone. Besides, [geek factor] what are the chances of a single simbiant (sp?) will only have female hosts? [/geek factor]

    Voyager is a good show, as were TNG and the original. I think that DS9 had/has the most compelling story line. I think that Dax and Kira (the other lady, though I think that the spelling is wrong) were the only main female characters in that story line...

    Let's see,

    Original --> No major female leads that I can think of
    TNG --> One major female lead (Beverly Crusher)
    DS9 --> Two major female leads (Dax, both of 'em, and Kira)
    Voyager --> Three major female leads (Janeway, 7 of 9, and the half-Klingon lady)

    It's interesting how each generation of Star Trek adds one more major female lead. Weird...

    By Captain Iglo December 20, 2000, 05:18 PM

    ARGGG!
    this kills my nerves..!
    female share must be higher?
    well, what about an amazonic star trek future, where men are staying at home?
    i'm talking about the storyline, i don't care wether actors have one/have none, are back/white/blue, whatever.

    hey, dudes, i want to see the free ways of a starrider's living! i don't care about politically correct actors and - especially - markting considerations, i want to feel the breath of eternity blowing through the storyline (sounds strange, eh?).

    actually, TNG was probably the best, because in DS9, all they do is participating in the war against the Dominion, (before the war, it's just plain boring) which has its lengthy moments...
    Voyager could have been by FAR the best: a crew living fast and dangerous, WITHOUT EVER knowing what's going on at home! NO admirals calling, no extra-weak armament. there is an episode, where they want to buy a BFG like gun to from some alien scientist, but Seven-o-Nine screws it. if these things exist, why is the Voyager still a sitting duck?
    i mean i don't want to turn it into an action soap, but more and more often i think that they would loose every single battle if they weren't the Voyager...

    the star-trek universe is collapsing through the immense attrctive foces of - CASH
    and this sucks wet d|ck...

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 20, 2000, 05:26 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
    ARGGG!
    this kills my nerves..!
    female share must be higher?

    Must? Nope. Just noticed that it did.

    quote:hey, dudes, i want to see the free ways of a starrider's living! i don't care about politically correct actors and - especially - markting considerations, i want to feel the breath of eternity blowing through the storyline (sounds strange, eh?).

    Sadly, that's not today's world.

    quote:actually, TNG was probably the best, because in DS9, all they do is participating in the war against the Dominion, (before the war, it's just plain boring) which has its lengthy moments...

    TNG was cool. DS9 had the Defiant, and that made it the best!

    Actually, I thought that DS9 had a great plotline, since it was building to the war. It was interesting because of the politics and religion was thrown into the Star Trek universe. It made it a more dynamic and more believable story.

    quote:Voyager could have been by FAR the best: a crew living fast and dangerous, WITHOUT EVER knowing what's going on at home! NO admirals calling, no extra-weak armament. there is an episode, where they want to buy a BFG like gun to from some alien scientist, but Seven-o-Nine screws it. if these things exist, why is the Voyager still a sitting duck?

    i mean i don't want to turn it into an action soap, but more and more often i think that they would loose every single battle if they weren't the Voyager...

    They could've made the Voyager an incredible ship, beyond its current capabilities, with just a little bartering and quite a bit of elbow grease. This would've made the Voyager the most impressive ship in the entire Star Fleet Armada. It could be an awesome thing.

    By Bataar December 20, 2000, 08:22 PM

    I was disappointed in Voyager after they got 7 of 9. During the episode where they first meet her, they make a bargain with the Borg; safe passage through Borg space but they would help the Borg beat Species 8742. During this process, Voyager was equiped with Borg weapons and addons that made the ship more powerful and look better too. After that, they took all the Borg additions off. Why? It would have been much better if they would have left it on. What would have really been cool, if the whole time they were in the Delta Quadrant, they were upgrading their ship with better technology from other species. By the time they get back to Earth, Voyager should be the most advanced ship Starfleet has ever seen.

    By AMD_Forever December 20, 2000, 09:32 PM

    why did they ever cancel tng.........................................................................

    By Bataar December 20, 2000, 09:49 PM

    Totally. TNG rocked. However, I really liked the last 3 seasons of DS9. Once they got the Dominion War going, it was really cool. I really liked the fact that it had a continuous story. I still think Babylon 5 is better than most Star Trek.

    By slipgun December 20, 2000, 10:32 PM

    I feel awkward... have no clue about these ships

    By Captain Iglo December 21, 2000, 03:29 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:

    ...
    TNG was cool. DS9 had the Defiant, and that made it the best!
    ...

    --aaah, there u have it: without appropriate armament, something gets lost, actually, i think, the Defiant was a joker to bring DS9 back on track, i mean without it, it would not have been the best...

    By Captain Iglo December 21, 2000, 03:31 AM

    by the way, what do u think about pulsed disruptors?
    i think they're much cooler than continous beam phasers...

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 21, 2000, 10:45 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
    by the way, what do u think about pulsed disruptors?
    i think they're much cooler than continous beam phasers...

    I think that they should do more damage than a continuous beam.

    Think of it. The continuous beam would sit there and wear down a shield over time, but a good shield would be able to handle that.

    The pulsed distruptors could change their harmonics faster and the shield could not cope with that since there wouldn't be a trend in the changes, since there is a time when the blasts are not in contact with the shields. The shields couldn't predict what they would be using. Boom, straight through them shields.

    Besides, the pulsed blasts look so much cooler than the beam. Then again, if you see a beam cut something in half (B5 anyone?), then the beam would look cooler.

    By Captain Iglo December 21, 2000, 11:17 AM

    i think defensive armament should be continous (against torpedoes and small ships), because it's easier to hit something, BUT the kickass guns should kill a ship with a few shots...

    torpedoes are guided, aren't they??
    strange how little use is made of that feature...

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 21, 2000, 11:22 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
    i think defensive armament should be continous (against torpedoes and small ships), because it's easier to hit something, BUT the kickass guns should kill a ship with a few shots...

    Unless the beam is powerful enough to plow through the shield, make the target shake furiously, and then come out through the other side, leaving a gaping hole, causing decompression and impolsion. That would be pretty.

    quote:torpedoes are guided, aren't they??
    strange how little use is made of that feature...

    Yeah, they are guided. Actually, the feature is used all of the time. Have you ever noticed a torpedo missing it's target?

    The only time that I remember a torpedo's guidence systems to actually become extremly useful was in Undiscovered Country (Star Trek 6?). That was sweet.

    By Klashe December 21, 2000, 02:41 PM

    Anyone ever see in that episode "Darmok" in STTNG when the phasers shot out of the photon toredo tubes. IT's the only flub the ST producers would admit to.

    By Captain Iglo December 21, 2000, 04:32 PM

    combat style is basically stand and deliver in Star Trek, and when u shoot straight, u can't see the difference between guided and unguided...

    that's the major fault, i mean star wars, for example, generally has more movement during battles

    on weapon mounting incosistencies:

    they can't even agree on a warp scale or wether they can beam through own shielding or not, i mean, they are too busy counting dollar bills or something.

    By Bataar December 21, 2000, 04:39 PM

    The only really impressive battles I've seen in Star Trek were the Dominion battles in the last couple of seasons on DS9. Huge fleets against huge fleets, lots of action and motion among ships. It was really cool.

    By AMD_Forever December 21, 2000, 06:02 PM

    way back when the borg still had an awe factor about them, their beams would cut straight through ships. also cardassian galor class ships with those big ass mofo cannons on the front can cut through weaker ships in a single shot.

    By dighn December 21, 2000, 10:31 PM

    I like the battle scenes in st series because of the COOL BEAM WEAPONS, unlike other sci-fi shows that use frigging pulsed crap... if the weapon particles(i assume phasers and stuff are particle beam weapons) move so fast you shouldn't see the frigging pulses it should seem like a line... i think phasers are really somewhat pulsed... and if they really moved that slow then the damage would be very wimpy... and the lamest weapon effects I have seen are starwars style "laser blasters"... gimmie a break who can see gaps between laser pulses moving at apppro. 300000km/s over 10 m of distance that is just lame... and it shouldn't be that bright when looking from sideways...
    inertial dampers RULE!!!...

    By Avon December 22, 2000, 01:41 AM

    TNG was pulled officially because it no longer justified its production costs. I think that the actors were wanting more and more money and some at least were getting restless. I think that 1 off films suit them better and I personally think that it's very hard to keep a show like that fresh for more than a maximum of 4 seasons, so it was probably a good call.

    As for the female leads, I don't think ST sets trends, I think it follows them, so I think it's a healthy sign that they have more and stronger female characters. Why shouldn't that be refreshing.

    That said, I'm not a great ST fan, I prefer Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 (oh and Dr Who and Buffy).

    By Bataar December 22, 2000, 04:28 AM

    Did any of you see that Babylon 5 spin off mini series Crusade? I really liked that and that ship kicked ass. That was probably one of the coolest ships I've ever seen.

    By Captain Iglo December 22, 2000, 05:17 AM

    quote:Originally posted by dighn:
    I like the battle scenes in st series because of the COOL BEAM WEAPONS, unlike other sci-fi shows that use frigging pulsed crap... if the weapon particles(i assume phasers and stuff are particle beam weapons) move so fast you shouldn't see the frigging pulses it should seem like a line... i think phasers are really somewhat pulsed... and if they really moved that slow then the damage would be very wimpy... and the lamest weapon effects I have seen are starwars style "laser blasters"... gimmie a break who can see gaps between laser pulses moving at apppro. 300000km/s over 10 m of distance that is just lame... and it shouldn't be that bright when looking from sideways...
    inertial dampers RULE!!!...


    you made a good point here!
    pulsed disruptors should have a lightning-like appearance, of course, u can't see a blast travelling a SoL (speed of light) or above - we have warp speed, haven't we?
    that's one reason why i think star wars is cr@p, that's true, BUT they have more motion during battles, DS9 improved a bit but still, weapon speed (photon topedoes included) are faaaaaar to slow!

    i think both kinds of weapons should exist (pulsed/continous) everyone likes the Defiant (or so it seems) - it HAS pulsed phasers... firing blasts that travel in snail mode, but people still like it.

    and yeah, when it says 40.000 km, i shouldn't look like 400 metres, but it often does in TNG, relative speed and relative size is one big problem in Star Trek, and improvements are coming real slowly.

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 22, 2000, 09:46 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Did any of you see that Babylon 5 spin off mini series Crusade? I really liked that and that ship kicked ass. That was probably one of the coolest ships I've ever seen.

    Very true! I loved the Excalibur. Man, that was a sweet ship. Then again, I like the Membari battle cruisers. But the White Stars are awesome. Their beam weapons kick so much ass.

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 22, 2000, 09:54 AM

    I do believe that phasers are a little different than lasers, guys.

    I've never really read about them, but they may be more of a plasma blast contained inside of magnetic stream. I'm not sure though. Anyone understand exactly what the phasers are?

    By Captain Iglo December 22, 2000, 10:43 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:
    I do believe that phasers are a little different than lasers, guys.

    I've never really read about them, but they may be more of a plasma blast contained inside of magnetic stream. I'm not sure though. Anyone understand exactly what the phasers are?

    a laser does not spread the blast's energy into the target, but disruptors/phasers do, we were only talking about their visual appearance, which is very similar...
    plasma is one way to achieve that effect, but the downside is that u need ammunition, and pure energy is more convenient.
    *personal guess* perhaps they are using some holodeck like proto-matter to 'emulate' plasma energy, without the need for materials used as ammunition.

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 22, 2000, 10:46 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
    a laser does not spread the blast's energy into the target, but disruptors/phasers do, we were only talking about their visual appearance, which is very similar...
    plasma is one way to achieve that effect, but the downside is that u need ammunition, and pure energy is more convenient.
    *personal guess* perhaps they are using some holodeck like proto-matter to 'emulate' plasma energy, without the need for materials used as ammunition.

    Those phasers seem to run out of power somewhat frequently, so the battery technology needs some work, even in the 23rd and 24th centuries.

    Now, what would happen if we went after the borg with machine guns? I don't think that their personal sheilding would protect them from the physical damage. (They can't seem to stop Batleths. )

    By Neo December 22, 2000, 10:47 AM

    i dont even watch star trek..surprised it's so popular

    By Adisharr December 22, 2000, 11:19 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:
    Those phasers seem to run out of power somewhat frequently, so the battery technology needs some work, even in the 23rd and 24th centuries.

    Now, what would happen if we went after the borg with machine guns? I don't think that their personal sheilding would protect them from the physical damage. (They can't seem to stop Batleths. )

    Picard shot some with a machine gun on the holodeck in 'First Contact' - of course he had the 'safety' function turned off

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 22, 2000, 11:40 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Adisharr:
    Picard shot some with a machine gun on the holodeck in 'First Contact' - of course he had the 'safety' function turned off

    I know. That's what made me think of it.

    Still, I would love them to start using thermo nuclear devices.

    They did in B5, and that was the first time that Humans were able to take out a Membari Warship, and it was the flagship of their fleet!

    Does anyone know who the captian of the Human ship that used the nukes was?

    By Bataar December 22, 2000, 12:14 PM

    You'd think the Borg could have adapted to the machine gun ammo on the holodeck because it was really energy. The best way to deal with the Borg is a bunch of Batleth(sp) wielding Klingons.

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 22, 2000, 01:25 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    You'd think the Borg could have adapted to the machine gun ammo on the holodeck because it was really energy. The best way to deal with the Borg is a bunch of Batleth(sp) wielding Klingons.

    Well, you notice that the Borg take some time to adapt to the new energy form, so those two had no time. Still, what would happen if you let loose a particularly nasty computer and accompanying bio-virus into a Borg cube? (Funny to see what would happen with a Melissa style virus! *lol* )

    Still, those Klingons would shred the Borg if the Borg's projectile weaponry could be disabled. Man, I'd love to see that, if not jump in there with a Claymore.

    *Galen pulls out his Claymore and swings it above his head, yelling out a battle cry*

    By Captain Iglo December 22, 2000, 01:34 PM

    the problem is that they adapt to new threats / weapons, which means that even nukes can only be used once...

    and even if u were successful, next time the BORG would be using Bath'lets themselves.

    By Galen_of_Edgewood December 22, 2000, 01:38 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
    the problem is that they adapt to new threats / weapons, which means that even nukes can only be used once...

    and even if u were successful, next time the BORG would be using Bath'lets themselves.

    They can adapt to the radiation that is put off by the nuke, but I seriously doubt that they could survive the intense heat of the blast. The biological matter that they have would be destroyed, completely. No biological body means no borg. Bye-bye.

    Besides, if the Borg had Bat'leths, they wouldn't be anywhere near as good with them as the Klingons would.

    By Endwaith December 22, 2000, 03:16 PM

    I think the federation should go after the borg with tounge depressors, those are the ULTIMATE weapon... especially if you sharpen the ends and make em real pointy.

    By javateen December 22, 2000, 04:17 PM

    I think that the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E is pretty badass-as a federation ship. It has quantum torpedos and it has very elegant, sleek look to its design. It is reminiscent of original Enterprise in the way of the warp pylons....

    By blppt December 22, 2000, 05:17 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
    ARGGG!

    actually, TNG was probably the best, because in DS9, all they do is participating in the war against the Dominion, (before the war, it's just plain boring) which has its lengthy moments...
    Voyager could have been by FAR the best: a crew living fast and dangerous, WITHOUT EVER knowing what's going on at home! NO admirals calling, no extra-weak armament. there is an episode, where they want to buy a BFG like gun to from some alien scientist, but Seven-o-Nine screws it. if these things exist, why is the Voyager still a sitting duck?
    i mean i don't want to turn it into an action soap, but more and more often i think that they would loose every single battle if they weren't the Voyager...

    the star-trek universe is collapsing through the immense attrctive foces of - CASH
    and this sucks wet d|ck...

    You forget that TNG often stalled in the middle of the season with they;re generic "Wesley blows up the ship" or "Beverly has a motherly crisis with Wesley". Then there was also that incredibly annoying ships counselor. Notice how there is no counselor on DS9 or Voyager? They learned from a horrible mistake. There were many times when she told Worf in private conseling sessions to "get in touch with his feelings" that i wished he would tear her in two. What an incredibly annoying and detracting character that was. Rrrr. ;-)

    By blppt December 22, 2000, 05:29 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:
    Those phasers seem to run out of power somewhat frequently, so the battery technology needs some work, even in the 23rd and 24th centuries.

    Now, what would happen if we went after the borg with machine guns? I don't think that their personal sheilding would protect them from the physical damage. (They can't seem to stop Batleths. )

    Did you ever read the ST S9 book called "Fallen Heroes"? It was easily, IMHO, the best of any ST series book ever written, and back in the day i read a whole lot of em.

    Anyways., in this book, a new race came through the wormhole and attacked the station. What made them different was that they used ONLY advanced projectile weapons. The station was not built to combat this, and over the course of the novel this new race took over the station. Phasers were completely ineffective against their armor. I forget why photons didnt work (maybe they just didnt have any), but by the time Sisko and crew figured out how to combat them


    *SPOILER SPACE*


    (phaser grenades) the station had been mostly overrun and they just managed to destroy it and kill the creatures at the end.

    BTW, yes, there was time travel involved, and yes, a person traveled back to before the attack to save them, but all in all, a very well written book. My favorite of all time of any ST series.


    By dighn December 22, 2000, 06:18 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:
    I do believe that phasers are a little different than lasers, guys.

    I've never really read about them, but they may be more of a plasma blast contained inside of magnetic stream. I'm not sure though. Anyone understand exactly what the phasers are?

    I think the phaser is a particle beam weapon...i've heard the show refer to it as such in several occasions... whatever particle they use must be uncharged otherwise the beams would be bent by magnetic fields ...

    By pompadorean December 23, 2000, 12:53 AM

    Am i hte only person in these forums that has never seen more than 30 seconds of anything related to star trek?

    By Bataar December 23, 2000, 03:52 AM

    quote:Originally posted by pompadorean:
    Am i hte only person in these forums that has never seen more than 30 seconds of anything related to star trek?

    It appears to be that way

    I used to absolutely hate Star Trek. I didn't like the original series reruns and I never started watching TNG. However, some friends of mine dragged me (metaphorically speaking) to see Star Trek First Contact on opening day. I thought that movie rocked. I then started to watch old TNG reruns to get more info on the Borg. After a while, I thought, hmm, lets see what this DS9 sh1t is about. After a while, Voyager looked interesting. For a while, I was a total Trekkie but now, I only watch the shows semi regurally.

    By Captain Iglo December 23, 2000, 08:24 AM

    ..never underestimate the power of a Bat'leth!

    some new stuff: Holodeck inconsitencies:

    what about drinking and eating on the holodeck? i mean as soon as you leave, your stomach is empty again, because holomatter just disappears when u leave the matrix.

    *sexual consequence*
    for women, it's ok, but if a man does it on the holodeck, someone is going to hate him for gizzum covered, slippery floors...

    if that was too hard, tell me, i'll delete it.

    By dighn December 23, 2000, 08:49 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    It appears to be that way

    I used to absolutely hate Star Trek. I didn't like the original series reruns and I never started watching TNG. However, some friends of mine dragged me (metaphorically speaking) to see Star Trek First Contact on opening day. I thought that movie rocked. I then started to watch old TNG reruns to get more info on the Borg. After a while, I thought, hmm, lets see what this DS9 sh1t is about. After a while, Voyager looked interesting. For a while, I was a total Trekkie but now, I only watch the shows semi regurally.

    same here! I used to hate startrek and thought it was ridiculous. then i watched first contact... although i watched the movie thinking startrek sucks, i really liked it, then i started watching startrek series

    First Contact was an awesome movie, best ST I've seen.

    By AMD_Forever December 23, 2000, 09:03 PM

    Batleths don't kill borg. Klingons with Batleths Kill Borg.

    By AMD_Forever December 23, 2000, 09:05 PM

    oh and uh hasn't anyone heard of Deflectors? On starships, the deflectors push space dust and space junk/rocks away from the ship while it's moving at impulse and warp. Effectively, if the borg equipped themselves with deflectors, anything that got too close to them would "bounce" off the deflector field. Thus, Batleths become useless.

    By Bataar December 23, 2000, 11:05 PM

    Have any of you seen that new show Andromeda? It's pretty cool. The ship in that rocks.

    By dighn December 24, 2000, 01:01 AM

    andromeda... i don't like that show...

    By Bataar December 24, 2000, 02:27 AM

    quote:Originally posted by dighn:
    andromeda... i don't like that show...

    I didn't really care for it at first, but now that they have the characters more developed, I think it's pretty good. It's probably going to go through the same phase all space sci fi shows go through, it'll be lame to ok for the first couple seasons and then it will get a lot better. But for now, I'm enjoying it.

    By AMD_Forever December 24, 2000, 01:47 PM

    no one wants to counter my batleth deflecting deflectors idea?

    By AMD_Forever December 24, 2000, 06:18 PM

    i commandeth thou to replyeth to my holiest of posteths!

    By AMD_Forever December 25, 2000, 01:32 AM

    ^BUMP^

    By Captain Iglo December 25, 2000, 05:03 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    ^BUMP^

    the deflector is only capable of pushing away small and light fragments (dust) with a comparably large frontal area, knives and swords are sharp by nature, resulting in high stress on any shielding, giving it a good chance to penetrate it.
    deflectors would deflect walls and inventory as well, which means that they (the BORG) would only be able to move in open space.

    bullets, swords, etc. are very well suited for deep penetration, from what i've heard it's even possible to stab through a kevlar vest with appropriate cutlery...

    nobody ever thought of my holodeck problems??

    By AMD_Forever December 25, 2000, 10:53 AM

    I did indeed. But let's just say to get rid of the holo-food problem they ummm replicate it outside of the holodeck and then beam it in. heres a real problem........in episodes like fairhaven and sctuff from voyager they make an environment so expansive that you know it cant fit in the holodeck.............how do they do that? move scenery instead of you actually moving? but then how are people in the holodeck sometimes 200ft apart when the holodeck isnt that long?

    By Captain Iglo December 27, 2000, 04:12 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    I did indeed. But let's just say to get rid of the holo-food problem they ummm replicate it outside of the holodeck and then beam it in. heres a real problem........in episodes like fairhaven and sctuff from voyager they make an environment so expansive that you know it cant fit in the holodeck.............how do they do that? move scenery instead of you actually moving? but then how are people in the holodeck sometimes 200ft apart when the holodeck isnt that long?

    of course, replication and beaming is a solution, but have u ever heard of it?
    no? i mean the holodeck is an inconsistency in itself...
    one way to solve the small holodeck problem is insertion of walls, in fact every single person must get an artificial 'holo-cell'.
    of course, all of this is ridiculously complicated, i think, the holodeck was created to have one last option for a new episode, if all other attempts to find a sensible plot have completely failed.

    By AMD_Forever December 27, 2000, 02:55 PM

    what about really short range, high powered deflector field? then the thing would only get shoved away once it go right next to the borg's body. walls and other drones would go unharmed.

    By Adisharr December 27, 2000, 03:01 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
    ..never underestimate the power of a Bat'leth!

    some new stuff: Holodeck inconsitencies:

    what about drinking and eating on the holodeck? i mean as soon as you leave, your stomach is empty again, because holomatter just disappears when u leave the matrix.

    *sexual consequence*
    for women, it's ok, but if a man does it on the holodeck, someone is going to hate him for gizzum covered, slippery floors...

    if that was too hard, tell me, i'll delete it.

    The floors are 'self-cleaning' according to Picard in one episode.. The one with the hay and Irish like people in a storage bay..

    By Adisharr December 27, 2000, 03:06 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    I did indeed. But let's just say to get rid of the holo-food problem they ummm replicate it outside of the holodeck and then beam it in. heres a real problem........in episodes like fairhaven and sctuff from voyager they make an environment so expansive that you know it cant fit in the holodeck.............how do they do that? move scenery instead of you actually moving? but then how are people in the holodeck sometimes 200ft apart when the holodeck isnt that long?

    Maybe they do some kind of 'portal' viewing thing to simulate long distances.. They also do move the scenery according to another episode.. can't remember..

    By AMD_Forever December 29, 2000, 06:36 PM

    back to ships. could the defiant beat the enterprise d? the enterprise e?

    By blppt December 29, 2000, 11:29 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    back to ships. could the defiant beat the enterprise d? the enterprise e?



    Well, remember, in an episode, two Klingon Frigates (Birds of Prey) defeated the Enterprise, so i dont think the Defiant would have much trouble defeating this Cruise Ship. ;-)

    Enterprise E has quantum torpedos and appears to be a ship of battle, so i'd have to take the E in that situation.

    By blppt December 29, 2000, 11:32 PM

    By the way, to add to ST inconsistancies, today on the Scifi channels original series ST marathon, in an episode Spock tells somebody that the planet he is on right now is 'millions of light years away from his home planet'. Since the Enterprise was orbiting this planet, and Voyager is going to take over 50 years to travel what---70,000 light years in a faster ship, this was quite amusing. ;-)

    By AMD_Forever December 29, 2000, 11:55 PM

    I do not consider the original star trek as part of the star trek universe anyways. I refuse to acknowledge it. Kinda like the U.S. refusing to acknowledge the taliban governement of afghanistan for a while.

    By Bataar December 30, 2000, 02:30 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    I do not consider the original star trek as part of the star trek universe anyways. I refuse to acknowledge it. Kinda like the U.S. refusing to acknowledge the taliban governement of afghanistan for a while.

    Yeah, that's kind of how I feel too.

    By iamsostupid December 30, 2000, 04:50 AM

    star trek universe? is it like some alternate dimension than the one we are in? I think its called reality........

    By AMD_Forever December 30, 2000, 05:01 AM

    yep. star trek is a separate universe and one day im gonna go there!

    By AMD_Forever December 30, 2000, 06:14 PM

    how many borg does it take to screw in a lightbulb?


    none darkness is irrelevant.

    By BoogyMan December 30, 2000, 09:25 PM

    Sacrilege!

    Do not forget your past, lest you be doomed to repeat it. (or something like that...)

    By AMD_Forever December 30, 2000, 09:54 PM

    uh


    ok?

    By BoogyMan December 30, 2000, 10:13 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    uh


    ok?


    Hehe. Doh! Forgot the quote to give it meaning...

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    I do not consider the original star trek as part of the star trek universe anyways. I refuse to acknowledge it. Kinda like the U.S. refusing to acknowledge the taliban governement of afghanistan for a while.

    So there!

    By Vracer111 December 31, 2000, 04:24 AM

    First off, I'm more of a Warsie instead of Trekkie...so here goes my picks:

    Ship with greatest Look - only one choice here... Queen Amidala's royal cruiser...talk about drop dead gorgeous styling (especially when it was seemingly derived from an SR71A Blackbird!)

    Ship with best combat power - Eclipse Super Star Destroyer.... solid black (sleek design) with a 10 mile long hull. The main weapon is a slightly less powerful version of the deathstar's main weapon, and it carries 500+ laser and turbolaser installations...extemely power shields and gravity-well projectors that can incapacitate ships from going to hyperspace (warp)... Not to mention it carries 50 squadrons of tie fighters, 8 of tie bombers, and an immensive ground ivasion force.

    ship with best AWE factor - Imperial Sun Crusher... Makes stars go supernova by firing resonance torpedoes...Don't think it matters how good your shields are or how fast you can modulate frequencies if your solar system is vaporized...

    By AMD_Forever December 31, 2000, 03:45 PM

    actually, the federation has been developing multiphasic shielding since TNG, multiphasic shielding lets them fly through stars. all star wars shit sucks. im sorry, but its true. lasers cannot even penetrate the deflector/navigation shields of the enterprise d according to worf.

    and jedi suck too. sure, they can cut stuff and kill stuff, but not once they're beamed into space!

    By Bataar December 31, 2000, 04:06 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    actually, the federation has been developing multiphasic shielding since TNG, multiphasic shielding lets them fly through stars. all star wars shit sucks. im sorry, but its true. lasers cannot even penetrate the deflector/navigation shields of the enterprise d according to worf.

    and jedi suck too. sure, they can cut stuff and kill stuff, but not once they're beamed into space!

    hehe

    Actually, I really like both Trek and Wars. It's easier to get into Trek because I can watch reruns every night and see new episodes almost every week, rather than waiting 3 years for another movie.

    By Bataar December 31, 2000, 04:07 PM

    But yeah, ships in Star Trek are technologically superior. The Enterprise could dismantle the entire Imperial Fleet in Star Wars by itself.

    By AMD_Forever December 31, 2000, 04:25 PM

    exactly

    the star trek kicks ass!

    By blppt December 31, 2000, 04:39 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    exactly

    the star trek kicks ass!


    I'd have to agree. The imperial fleet is kinda wimpy when you consider that most of their ships are much much bigger than any starship, and yet could not do anything against them in battle. Although, what about the missles that they have? I would assume that with one of those big ass ships they could load an awful lot of those missles and fire them at a starship, causing at the very least a good deal of damage.

    By blppt December 31, 2000, 04:42 PM

    Also, if all else failed, they could always run kamikaze attacks with the huge amounts of fighters they have and maul a starship.

    By AMD_Forever December 31, 2000, 04:45 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:

    I'd have to agree. The imperial fleet is kinda wimpy when you consider that most of their ships are much much bigger than any starship, and yet could not do anything against them in battle. Although, what about the missles that they have? I would assume that with one of those big ass ships they could load an awful lot of those missles and fire them at a starship, causing at the very least a good deal of damage.


    are you aware of how good the targeting scanners on star trek ships are? the enterprise would just fire on the wimpy non-energy based star wars torpedoes before they even reached the shields. and if ya wanna know why the federation doesnt do this against photon torpedoes or other trek torpedoes, its because other trek torpedoes have devices that makes them immune to phaser lock-on. star wars torpedoes could be locked on to in a second and destroyed!

    By AMD_Forever December 31, 2000, 04:46 PM

    same with kamikazis (sp)

    just lock on and destroy.

    see TNG episode "best of both worlds" to see max firing rate of phasers. and since phasers could kill star wars fighters in a single shot.................

    By Dude December 31, 2000, 04:48 PM

    Who would win in a fight between Captain Kirk and Luke SkyWalker? My money's on Skywalker.

    By AMD_Forever December 31, 2000, 04:49 PM

    ALSO hehe beam the star wars torpedoes right back onto the star wars ships that fired em. beam the kamikazis back into the fighter bays of the star destoryers.

    *yes i know star wars ships technically have shields, but no shield that a transporter couldnt penetrate*

    By AMD_Forever December 31, 2000, 05:25 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Dude:
    Who would win in a fight between Captain Kirk and Luke SkyWalker? My money's on Skywalker.

    kirk

    it would go like this *kirk to enterprise, beam him in to space*

    and even if scotty gave the I doooont have the powerrrrrrr kirk still has phasers

    By AsDfGh December 31, 2000, 06:49 PM

    Actually, if you think about it, SW was in a galaxy far far away and a long time ago, so if you consider the time frame, I'd really think that SW can kick ST's ass in the 23rd Centrury

    By AMD_Forever December 31, 2000, 07:07 PM

    aha! but the confrontation wouldnt take place ever. janeway needs 70 years to cross one galaxy, imagine how long to reach another one entirely.

    By Ymaster December 31, 2000, 07:14 PM

    Pointless..Only nerds talk about this.


    SLAP!

    By AMD_Forever December 31, 2000, 07:41 PM

    i slap your thread you slap mine, now go away bad man

    By Ymaster December 31, 2000, 08:44 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    i slap your thread you slap mine, now go away bad man


    You bad man..No SOUP for YOU!

    By AMD_Forever January 01, 2001, 01:42 AM

    good

    i dont want soup

    By AMD_Forever January 01, 2001, 04:22 AM

    and besides, your soup is poo compared to my replicators soup.


    quantum torpedo hits the death star, what happens??

    opinions??

    By Rogue January 01, 2001, 06:07 AM

    Ohhhh Star Wars vs Star Trek.
    Super star destroyer = Meanest ship from both.
    Borkg cube = Kicks everybodies a$$

    Star wars has the *force*
    Luke stywalker would kill Kirk. Havent ya ever seen Darth veders trick. *CRUNCH*

    By Captain Iglo January 01, 2001, 10:35 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Rogue:
    Ohhhh Star Wars vs Star Trek.
    Super star destroyer = Meanest ship from both.
    Borkg cube = Kicks everybodies a$$

    Star wars has the *force*
    Luke stywalker would kill Kirk. Havent ya ever seen Darth veders trick. *CRUNCH*

    no, he wouldn't he is a light-side Jedi...

    By blppt January 01, 2001, 02:57 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    are you aware of how good the targeting scanners on star trek ships are? the enterprise would just fire on the wimpy non-energy based star wars torpedoes before they even reached the shields. and if ya wanna know why the federation doesnt do this against photon torpedoes or other trek torpedoes, its because other trek torpedoes have devices that makes them immune to phaser lock-on. star wars torpedoes could be locked on to in a second and destroyed!

    I dont think even the Enterprise E has enough phaser banks to take out thousands of missles before they hit. Nor enough transporters to beam either the fighers or the missles.

    By NEwBoY January 01, 2001, 03:49 PM

    i dont watch star trek, actually ocassionally seen it but im not really into it

    but i am interested in how these ships look, anybody interested in posting a pic of a borg tactical cube?

    By AMD_Forever January 01, 2001, 06:31 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    I dont think even the Enterprise E has enough phaser banks to take out thousands of missles before they hit. Nor enough transporters to beam either the fighers or the missles.


    the firing rate could be increased enough to fire 10 shots per second give or take, that would stop most torpedoes. and besides, the picard manuever, jump to warp for about 1 second, and drop out of warp 50km away.
    also, 5 transporter rooms with 6 pads equals 30 fighter pilots beamed into space every 5 seconds. and 4 cargo bays with 4 cargo transporters equals 4 fighters beamed into the center of the star destroyers right by the power core every 5 seconds.

    By AMD_Forever January 01, 2001, 06:34 PM

    and besides those pansy ass non energy based torpedoes couldnt do shit even if they did hit. kamikazis could be taken out in time. and the enterprise would win.

    By Rogue January 01, 2001, 06:47 PM

    Ok lets throw the death star into this. I'm thing that a direct hit on the entriprise would kill it. I mean it blows up planets for gods sake.

    By Galen_of_Edgewood January 01, 2001, 07:10 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Rogue:
    Ok lets throw the death star into this. I'm thing that a direct hit on the entriprise would kill it. I mean it blows up planets for gods sake.

    The Death Star works great against targets that don't accelerate or change direction at any real speed. The Enterprise, all variations of it, could easily out manuver any of the large vessels from Star Wars, and therefore, wouldn't be likely to get hit by one of the blasts from the Death Star. Of course, the Death Star could probably do some serious damage before it is taken out if it made it to a space station (no more space station at the cost of the Death Star).

    The Death Star is a cool concept, but not very effective. Shoot, it got taken out twice by the Rebels, and we all know that it was because of the design of the Death Star.

    By dighn January 02, 2001, 12:33 AM

    Luke Skywalker vs. Kirk-Skywalker wins
    Death Star vs. Enterprise - Enterprise wins

    By LethalWolfe January 02, 2001, 12:59 AM

    Argh. I just read all the freakin' posts, and here's my 2 cents
    1. The Defiant is my fav ST ship. It's small, fast, packs a punch, can take severe abuse, and, to top it all off, she cloaks.

    2. DS9 is my favorite ST series. It had a "darker" feel to it than the other ones. Plus, it had Garek(sp?) He is one of my favorite ST characters.

    3. I love both ST and SW, and comparing them directly, i.e. "who would win in a fight...", is kinda stupid 'cause they have nothing to do w/each other. It's like comparing apples and oranges. I did come across a funny webpage once that addrssed the topic of "Who had it worse, Red shirts from TOS or Storm troopers?"

    4. Has anybody seen the show "Earth: Above and Beyond." It re-runs on the Sci-fi channel here in the states, and I think it's one of the best TV shows ever.

    Lethal

    By dighn January 02, 2001, 03:33 AM

    what is TOS?

    By Bataar January 02, 2001, 04:11 AM

    quote:Originally posted by dighn:
    what is TOS?

    The Original Series with Captain Kirk.

    By blppt January 02, 2001, 01:18 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Rogue:
    Ok lets throw the death star into this. I'm thing that a direct hit on the entriprise would kill it. I mean it blows up planets for gods sake.


    Even the original Enterprise had "planet buster" torpedos. It appeared in a few books, and i think was mentioned in one of the early episodes. Also, you could put all the energy you want into a laser, it would apparently just be completely reflected by even the Enterprise Ds navigational deflectors.

    By blppt January 02, 2001, 01:20 PM

    quote:Originally posted by LethalWolfe:
    Argh. I just read all the freakin' posts, and here's my 2 cents
    1. The Defiant is my fav ST ship. It's small, fast, packs a punch, can take severe abuse, and, to top it all off, she cloaks.

    2. DS9 is my favorite ST series. It had a "darker" feel to it than the other ones. Plus, it had Garek(sp?) He is one of my favorite ST characters.

    3. I love both ST and SW, and comparing them directly, i.e. "who would win in a fight...", is kinda stupid 'cause they have nothing to do w/each other. It's like comparing apples and oranges. I did come across a funny webpage once that addrssed the topic of "Who had it worse, Red shirts from TOS or Storm troopers?"

    4. Has anybody seen the show "Earth: Above and Beyond." It re-runs on the Sci-fi channel here in the states, and I think it's one of the best TV shows ever.

    Lethal

    I agree. I think DS9 was the best, most original of all the series, other than of course, the first one. I hate Voyager. I wish somebody would kill Neelix (sp?).

    By Galen_of_Edgewood January 02, 2001, 01:48 PM

    quote:Originally posted by LethalWolfe:
    4. Has anybody seen the show "Earth: Above and Beyond." It re-runs on the Sci-fi channel here in the states, and I think it's one of the best TV shows ever.

    "Earth: Above and Beyond" is the show with the Marines in space, fighting the "Chigs", right? Awesome show. I love it and actually miss it. Their ships are awesome. Gotta love those Hammerheads!

    By GHz January 02, 2001, 11:32 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Rogue:
    Ok lets throw the death star into this. I'm thing that a direct hit on the entriprise would kill it. I mean it blows up planets for gods sake.

    Remember Star Trek Generations, that torpedo that guy used, forgot his name but I think the torpedos were called trilithium torpedoes, that stopped all fusion in dat star causing a shockwave that destroyed an entire solar system. Now the Death Star can blow up a planet, but can it destroy an entire solar system with one blast? NO

    By Bataar January 03, 2001, 12:23 AM

    Those are kind of common. Andromeda has them too, they're called Nova Bombs.

    By GHz January 03, 2001, 12:25 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Those are kind of common. Andromeda has them too, they're called Nova Bombs.

    My point is that I have yet to see that kind of technology in Star Wars, but thanks for reminding me

    By LethalWolfe January 03, 2001, 02:46 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:
    "Earth: Above and Beyond" is the show with the Marines in space, fighting the "Chigs", right? Awesome show. I love it and actually miss it. Their ships are awesome. Gotta love those Hammerheads!

    Yup, that's the show. I about wet myself w/joy when I flipped on the Sci-fi channel and I saw it.


    Lethal

    By Galen_of_Edgewood January 03, 2001, 09:55 AM

    quote:Originally posted by LethalWolfe:
    Yup, that's the show. I about wet myself w/joy when I flipped on the Sci-fi channel and I saw it.

    Lethal

    I was ticked when it was stopped being showed. How come all of the great series with a good plotline get killed? Granted, I know that they won versus the "Chigs," but they were fighting the AI's, and that was getting interesting... I miss them.

    By Syntech January 03, 2001, 05:10 PM

    quote:Originally posted by LethalWolfe:
    Yup, that's the show. I about wet myself w/joy when I flipped on the Sci-fi channel and I saw it.


    Lethal

    actually its called "Space: Above and beyond"

    By Galen_of_Edgewood January 03, 2001, 05:22 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Syntech:
    actually its called "Space: Above and beyond"

    Yeah... You're right. Blast it! *Boom*

    That was close! Voice activated weaponry is scary if you forget that it you have it!

    Anyways... You are correct. I remember it now.

    By AMD_Forever January 04, 2001, 12:26 AM

    who hates the original series and thinks that captains shouldn't wear t-shirts on duty and that captains shouldn't go around cross breeding with every alien they run across.

    By AMD_Forever January 04, 2001, 12:30 AM

    quote:Originally posted by GHz:
    Remember Star Trek Generations, that torpedo that guy used, forgot his name but I think the torpedos were called trilithium torpedoes, that stopped all fusion in dat star causing a shockwave that destroyed an entire solar system. Now the Death Star can blow up a planet, but can it destroy an entire solar system with one blast? NO

    his name was doctor tolian soran and he used a romulan compound called trilithium in his missile/torpedo.

    By AMD_Forever January 04, 2001, 12:31 AM

    and as for star wars ships being able to kill stars, i can think of ummm well star destroyers!...............why are star destroyers named that if they cant do it.

    By GHz January 04, 2001, 01:36 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    and as for star wars ships being able to kill stars, i can think of ummm well star destroyers!...............why are star destroyers named that if they cant do it.

    because the name star destroyer sounds better than planet destroyer, and i am yet to see a star destroyer destroy a star.

    and one more thing, "the force" is nothing compared to "Q". "Q" is the force

    By Bataar January 06, 2001, 09:31 PM

    Q provides the Force, and he can take it away

    By GHz January 06, 2001, 09:35 PM

    OMG this thread rose from the dead

    By AMD_Forever January 06, 2001, 09:37 PM

    my thread is ever lasting

    bwahahaha

    By Bataar January 07, 2001, 04:47 AM

    LOL

    By JabberJaw January 07, 2001, 10:05 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    captains shouldn't go around cross breeding with every alien they run across.

    Hey that was the best feature of the show! JTK liked his ladies like his tea - Green! He was the original super-freak with a taste for exotica. Besides, he was usually forced to boink his way out of prediciments to save the lives of his crew. So what's a boy to do?LOL No show since has had the guts to do that on a regular basis.

    By AsDfGh January 07, 2001, 05:07 PM

    If your counting all the movies, remember that shit in star trek 6 or 5 or something, that tried to communitcate with the whales and kirk and them went back to 1992 or something, didn't that shit cripple the federation fleet? just by trying to communicate? think about it, what would happen if they used their weapons?!

    By Bataar January 12, 2001, 03:04 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AsDfGh:
    If your counting all the movies, remember that shit in star trek 6 or 5 or something, that tried to communitcate with the whales and kirk and them went back to 1992 or something, didn't that shit cripple the federation fleet? just by trying to communicate? think about it, what would happen if they used their weapons?!

    That was Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. That movie was hilarious. I loved the part where Scotty tried to use a computer by talking through the mouse.

    By GHz January 12, 2001, 03:47 AM

    Damn this thread refuses to die.

    By Bataar January 12, 2001, 04:33 AM

    Yep! hehe

    By ditbwc January 12, 2001, 05:47 AM

    Star Trek is the closest tp real your gona get a few examples....

    the smal poratable computers the ones on desk and so forth voice activated stuff
    and scientist have found a way to make anti-mater................. not much at a time but they do have it......... CAT SCANS MRIs
    (my period button is stuck............. spiled coke on my keyboard)

    By AMD_Forever January 12, 2001, 10:10 AM

    i told ya. my thread is immortal. it is the Q of threads.

    and nice sig.
    8mhz
    1200baud modem

    hehe with that you'd have been uploading the text for your message for several days

    By Adisharr January 12, 2001, 10:20 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    That was Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. That movie was hilarious. I loved the part where Scotty tried to use a computer by talking through the mouse.


    That's my favorite part of the movie

    Spock swearing is pretty funny too..

    By Galen_of_Edgewood January 12, 2001, 10:22 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    i told ya. my thread is immortal. it is the Q of threads.

    and nice sig.
    8mhz
    1200baud modem

    hehe with that you'd have been uploading the text for your message for several days

    Speaking of Q, does anyone remember the Civil War between the Q where they ended up destroying stars? That was an awesome episode.

    I love TNG because it was so cool!

    Dang! I helped bump this thread up again! Nooooo!!!!!

    By Bataar January 12, 2001, 01:18 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Galen_of_Edgewood:
    Speaking of Q, does anyone remember the Civil War between the Q where they ended up destroying stars? That was an awesome episode.

    I love TNG because it was so cool!

    Dang! I helped bump this thread up again! Nooooo!!!!!

    That was in a Voyager episode wasn't it?

    By Galen_of_Edgewood January 12, 2001, 01:36 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    That was in a Voyager episode wasn't it?

    Yeah, dork-o-me did it again! ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!

    You're right. Still, it was an awesome episode. I was confusing Janeway and Beverly Crusher for a bit (I couldn't remember which character was in it).

    *sniff*

    Now I feel dumb....

    By Pailin January 12, 2001, 08:06 PM

    What was that ancient depressed alien bioship in one episode (it had lost its crew a very long time ago). Without even trying to harm anything, it flung the Enterprise away like you would swat an incect. If it was pi$$ed it would be one of the most powerful things in the ST universe.

    It was going to try to commit suicide by being in close proximity to a star about to go nova. If it needed to do this to kill itself, with its equivalent of shields lowered, that would make it about the toughest ship I've seen in ST

    I think it said it had explored distant galaxies, which means it could tavel much faster than the federation vessels.

    Anyone else remember this thing?

    Apart from it looking like the captains log, it almost fits all three categories.

    By AMD_Forever January 12, 2001, 08:19 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Pailin:
    What was that ancient depressed alien bioship in one episode (it had lost its crew a very long time ago). Without even trying to harm anything, it flung the Enterprise away like you would swat an incect. If it was pi$$ed it would be one of the most powerful things in the ST universe.

    It was going to try to commit suicide by being in close proximity to a star about to go nova. If it needed to do this to kill itself, with its equivalent of shields lowered, that would make it about the toughest ship I've seen in ST

    I think it said it had explored distant galaxies, which means it could tavel much faster than the federation vessels.

    Anyone else remember this thing?

    Apart from it looking like the captains log, it almost fits all three categories.

    It was a lifeform the Federation called Tin Man. It destroyed a Romulan Warbird in one slap too.

    By pompadorean January 13, 2001, 12:09 AM

    quote:Damn this thread refuses to die.

    YES it SHOULD DIE! Star trek should die with it!

    but dang it i just kept it alive again! DANG!

    Maybe we should say something to make a Mod lock it up for good!

    By AMD_Forever January 13, 2001, 12:15 AM

    quote:Originally posted by pompadorean:
    YES it SHOULD DIE! Star trek should die with it!

    but dang it i just kept it alive again! DANG!

    Maybe we should say something to make a Mod lock it up for good!

    you've got no right to go tell lies to a moderator just to stop a thread that i like. do it and ill be sure the same or worse is done to you.


    By pompadorean January 13, 2001, 12:17 AM

    quote:you've got no right to go tell lies to a moderator just to stop a thread that i like. do it and ill be sure the same or worse is done to you.

    HHAHAHAA wow your defensive. I wouldn't do that i was just joking around geez! I thought you people knew me better than that! I guess you guys just spend all your time watching start trek and not in the cpu/OC forum. (j/k) (i really am)

    By Bataar January 14, 2001, 01:44 AM

    Yeah, there should be no Star Trek bashing in this thread

    By ditbwc January 14, 2001, 01:59 AM

    There are things that are certian in life one is that startrek will still be here long after were all gone......and this thread might too.

    By Bataar January 14, 2001, 04:26 AM

    LOL

    By Happy Phantom January 14, 2001, 01:00 PM

    Just to add my two cents...

    I used to think that the borg cube was the most kick-ass ship but now Janeway demolishes 1 in every other episode so they've kind've made them way less threatening. Voyager really does need to come up with some new hard-as-nails bad guys to make up for turning the borg into such namby-pambys. Also AWE factor. Wasn't there an episode of TNG where there was a ship the size of a planet or something, i think it ended up exploded but it was a neat idea.

    By GHz January 15, 2001, 03:51 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Happy Phantom:
    Just to add my two cents...

    I used to think that the borg cube was the most kick-ass ship but now Janeway demolishes 1 in every other episode so they've kind've made them way less threatening. Voyager really does need to come up with some new hard-as-nails bad guys to make up for turning the borg into such namby-pambys. Also AWE factor. Wasn't there an episode of TNG where there was a ship the size of a planet or something, i think it ended up exploded but it was a neat idea.

    That ship you are talking about that's the size of a planet, I think I know what episode you're talking about, but if I'm not correct me. Isn't this the episode with Scotty from TOS. If it that's what you were talking about that was not a ship. It was more like a planet except it enclosed an entire star and the people lived in the interior wall of the sphere. I think it was called a Dyson Sphere. Not sure though

    By AMD_Forever January 15, 2001, 05:25 PM

    quote:Originally posted by GHz:
    That ship you are talking about that's the size of a planet, I think I know what episode you're talking about, but if I'm not correct me. Isn't this the episode with Scotty from TOS. If it that's what you were talking about that was not a ship. It was more like a planet except it enclosed an entire star and the people lived in the interior wall of the sphere. I think it was called a Dyson Sphere. Not sure though

    GHZ is right.

    By Bataar January 15, 2001, 11:23 PM

    That episode was pretty cool.

    By Galen_of_Edgewood January 16, 2001, 10:23 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    That episode was pretty cool.

    It was awesome because of Scotty. He was the coolest character that they ever had on any of the Star Trek shows. Of course, Data is cool, but Scotty was cooler.

    By Adisharr January 16, 2001, 10:30 AM

    quote:Originally posted by GHz:
    That ship you are talking about that's the size of a planet, I think I know what episode you're talking about, but if I'm not correct me. Isn't this the episode with Scotty from TOS. If it that's what you were talking about that was not a ship. It was more like a planet except it enclosed an entire star and the people lived in the interior wall of the sphere. I think it was called a Dyson Sphere. Not sure though


    I think it was on TNG when Scotty was found in a buffer on a transporter on a small ship. They were trapped by the Dyson sphere and I remember Geordi (sp?) commenting on the ingenious arrangement Scotty made to keep his pattern alive in the buffer with little degradation..

    By Terry January 16, 2001, 09:49 PM

    hm
    all of you are so into Star Trek...
    I just watch it occasionally
    is it that good?

    By AMD_Forever January 16, 2001, 10:36 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Terry:
    hm
    all of you are so into Star Trek...
    I just watch it occasionally
    is it that good?

    yes

    By Adisharr January 17, 2001, 12:07 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Terry:
    hm
    all of you are so into Star Trek...
    I just watch it occasionally
    is it that good?


    It's got computers and science - seems much more realistic than most other 'sci-fi' shows out..

    Also most times the stories are good.. not always though..

    $ .02

    By Bataar January 17, 2001, 04:13 AM

    I enjoy it. I'm interested to see what the new series and movie is going to be about. The next movie will be the last movie with the cast of The Next Generation.

    By blppt January 17, 2001, 12:29 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    I enjoy it. I'm interested to see what the new series and movie is going to be about. The next movie will be the last movie with the cast of The Next Generation.

    I wouldnt be too anxious to see the next series. According to Brannon Braga (or whatever his name is) he wants a "Dawson's Creek" type of show in Starfleet Academy. No joke.

    By Galen_of_Edgewood January 17, 2001, 02:15 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    I wouldnt be too anxious to see the next series. According to Brannon Braga (or whatever his name is) he wants a "Dawson's Creek" type of show in Starfleet Academy. No joke.

    I shall respond to this news with two words.

    Eww....
    Why?

    By Adisharr January 17, 2001, 03:11 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    I wouldnt be too anxious to see the next series. According to Brannon Braga (or whatever his name is) he wants a "Dawson's Creek" type of show in Starfleet Academy. No joke.


    The end of the natural world..

    By Bataar January 17, 2001, 04:07 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    I wouldnt be too anxious to see the next series. According to Brannon Braga (or whatever his name is) he wants a "Dawson's Creek" type of show in Starfleet Academy. No joke.


    That idea got shot down by Rick Berman real quick. The 3 initial ideas was the Starfleet Academy one (got killed), Star Trek: Marines (about the guys who handle away missions and covert mission. This idea got killed), and finally, an idea about Captain Sulu's ship which also got killed. These were killed over a year ago and they have not announced anything new yet.

    By blppt January 17, 2001, 06:12 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    That idea got shot down by Rick Berman real quick. The 3 initial ideas was the Starfleet Academy one (got killed), Star Trek: Marines (about the guys who handle away missions and covert mission. This idea got killed), and finally, an idea about Captain Sulu's ship which also got killed. These were killed over a year ago and they have not announced anything new yet.


    All i can say is THANK GOD FOR RICK BERMAN. ;-)

    How about a series with Scotty? After all, he is in the 24th century now. First we had Geordi LaForge, the most incompetent engineer ever, who was more often then not seen running from engineering with engine coolant billowing behind him and screaming "warp core breach!". Then we had the bitchy half Klingon engineer on Voyager. Ick. It would be nice to see Scotty back behind the warp engines. I kinda liked the grumpy Colm Meaney in DS9 though.

    By Bataar January 17, 2001, 07:18 PM

    Did any of you see those Voyager episodes involving the Federation Time Ships from the 29th century? I think the next series should be in that time period. It should be about the crew of a space/time station that exists outside of the space time continuom. Their duty would be to protect the timeline. This kind of series would be cool because episodes could take place anytime in history or in the future and would not be limited to just the 24th century.

    By AMD_Forever January 17, 2001, 08:02 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    I wouldnt be too anxious to see the next series. According to Brannon Braga (or whatever his name is) he wants a "Dawson's Creek" type of show in Starfleet Academy. No joke.



    Shot down by Berman or not, if I ever hear of such an atrocity again in my lifetime I am going to either a) shoot myself cause apocalypse is surely not far off b) vote for the green party candidate, and make the world suffer as much as all the star trek viewers or c) go on a killing spree through paramount studios.

    By BoogyMan January 17, 2001, 08:21 PM

    Bah!

    Kirk is dead and the series is too.

    Beat a dead horse if it pleases you, but the end has come and gone.

    It was a great universe, it was a great Sci-Fi run. But it's over.

    By AMD_Forever January 17, 2001, 10:58 PM

    quote:Originally posted by BoogyMan:
    Bah!

    Kirk is dead and the series is too.

    Beat a dead horse if it pleases you, but the end has come and gone.

    It was a great universe, it was a great Sci-Fi run. But it's over.

    kirk being dead is a good thing. no more captains running around knocking up alien girls. ds9 was great and kirk deficient
    as was TNG and VOY

    By Bataar January 17, 2001, 11:44 PM

    The Original Series sucks. Some of the old Kirk movies were very good though.

    By blppt January 18, 2001, 01:58 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    The Original Series sucks. Some of the old Kirk movies were very good though.

    I disagree. Sure, the special effects were cheesy, but that was the 60s. I thought the plotlines were a lot better written than most of TNG with its constant PC and preaching. Granted, the Borg kicked the ass of any villain that ever showed up in TOS, but that was IT. I cant tell you how sick i am of TNG repeats with young Wimpy Crusher getting motherly advice from Beverly or a stern talking to by Picard. And man, dont get me started on Counselor Troi. You never saw those needless, annoying elements on TOS.

    Voyager is almost as bad with that idiot Neelix and the motherly captain who, even while having her ship pounded into rubble wont fire on a species because it is 'misunderstood'. Unbelievable. I cant mention the number of times i've looked at the screen and muttered "Kirk and Spock would have blown that up a long time ago. Problem solved". Well, at least Voyager doesnt have a ship's counselor, and the doctor USED to be pleasantly sarcastic. ;-)

    By blppt January 18, 2001, 02:02 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    kirk being dead is a good thing. no more captains running around knocking up alien girls. ds9 was great and kirk deficient
    as was TNG and VOY

    Hey, to all you TOS haters, you might enjoy this parody. I found it hilarious.

    http://www.dailyradar.com/features/directhit_feature_page_1175_1.html

    By blppt January 18, 2001, 02:06 AM

    And yes, btw, i realize the acting wasnt exactly up to snuff on TOS. We all know Shatner's a ham, but i thought Nimoy and Kelley were pretty good. Plus, of course, they had SCOTTY! ;-)

    By AMD_Forever January 18, 2001, 02:11 AM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    And yes, btw, i realize the acting wasnt exactly up to snuff on TOS. We all know Shatner's a ham, but i thought Nimoy and Kelley were pretty good. Plus, of course, they had SCOTTY! ;-)

    ever heard the joke about kelly:

    i'm a doctor not an actor
    or at least im a doctor not a good actor

    By blppt January 18, 2001, 12:26 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    ever heard the joke about kelly:

    i'm a doctor not an actor
    or at least im a doctor not a good actor

    I beg to differ. I though he was a good actor. What about him was so bad?

    By AMD_Forever January 18, 2001, 03:25 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    I beg to differ. I though he was a good actor. What about him was so bad?

    constant repeating of im a doctor not a ****.
    constant repeating of hes dead jim
    constant dissing of spock

    By Klashe January 18, 2001, 04:47 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    constant repeating of im a doctor not a ****.
    constant repeating of hes dead jim
    constant dissing of spock


    That's more of Roddenberry's fault rather than Deforest's. Roddenberry writes the lines. the actors just read them.

    By Galen_of_Edgewood January 18, 2001, 04:49 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Klashe:
    That's more of Roddenberry's fault rather than Deforest's. Roddenberry writes the lines. the actors just read them.

    That, and I thought that it was actually a funny running gag. Kinda like "It's not my fault!" or "I got a bad feeling about this!"

    By Happy Phantom January 18, 2001, 06:37 PM

    Hey, about the next series, I read recently that it was going to be about the origins of the federation. Y'know, once we got up there into space after (i can't believe i've forgotten his name- played by james cromwell guy) invented warp speed. What happened after that. The problem i see with this, is that surely what people want to see is new stuff, new technology, not stuff that's been rendered obsolete by the next three series. Well, ok thats just how i feel...

    By AMD_Forever January 18, 2001, 07:57 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Happy Phantom:
    Hey, about the next series, I read recently that it was going to be about the origins of the federation. Y'know, once we got up there into space after (i can't believe i've forgotten his name- played by james cromwell guy) invented warp speed. What happened after that. The problem i see with this, is that surely what people want to see is new stuff, new technology, not stuff that's been rendered obsolete by the next three series. Well, ok thats just how i feel...

    his name was zephram cochrane

    and after we were up there the vulcans got this little problem called the romulans who tried to leave vulcan, and so they did. And behold the Romulan Star Empire is formed and they start off by beating up on us good ol humans and the vulcans

    how nice of them

    By AMD_Forever January 18, 2001, 08:32 PM

    How much more effective would the borg assimilation process be if they changed their hail to:

    We are the borg. He have women of all races. Quite a few will be beamed onto your ship now. Minus clothing.

    With 7of9, it would definetly be effective.


    or how about

    We are the borg. AMD and intel are irrelevant. Borg Vinculims overclock the best. You will overclock. Resistance is futile.

    By blppt January 18, 2001, 09:07 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    constant repeating of im a doctor not a ****.
    constant repeating of hes dead jim
    constant dissing of spock


    Um, i'm not entirely sure how you can call somebody a bad actor simply because his character was written to jibe with Spock all the time. Since Nimoy and Kelley were friends, the fact that he was able to do that so well makes him a GOOD actor, dont you think?

    Since you say Kelley is a bad actor for saying "he's dead jim" and "i'm a doctor, etc" then you have to also have to consider Patrick Stewart one for always saying "engage" and "make it so". And we all know that Stewart is not remotely a ham.

    By AMD_Forever January 18, 2001, 09:10 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    Um, i'm not entirely sure how you can call somebody a bad actor simply because his character was written to jibe with Spock all the time. Since Nimoy and Kelley were friends, the fact that he was able to do that so well makes him a GOOD actor, dont you think?

    Since you say Kelley is a bad actor for saying "he's dead jim" and "i'm a doctor, etc" then you have to also have to consider Patrick Stewart one for always saying "engage" and "make it so". And we all know that Stewart is not remotely a ham.

    engage, make it so, number 1 are distinctive phrases of the character meant to build character. hes dead jim is a sad attempt at creating drama. just like shattners midsentence pauses were.

    By Fuzzball January 19, 2001, 01:15 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    How much more effective would the borg assimilation process be if they changed their hail to:

    We are the borg. He have women of all races. Quite a few will be beamed onto your ship now. Minus clothing.

    With 7of9, it would definetly be effective.


    or how about

    We are the borg. AMD and intel are irrelevant. Borg Vinculims overclock the best. You will overclock. Resistance is futile.


    LOL
    Hey either way, it sounds like a winner. If I didn't know any better I'd say "where's the assimilation chamber?"

    I think that people would go a lot more willfully for that.

    By Bataar January 19, 2001, 03:41 AM

    I just don't like the whole 60s influence. Granted, that's where it started, but looking at it today it seems very pathetic (as do a lot of shows in the 60s).

    By AMD_Forever January 19, 2001, 09:54 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    I just don't like the whole 60s influence. Granted, that's where it started, but looking at it today it seems very pathetic (as do a lot of shows in the 60s).

    I can't stand the whole UPN influence on voyager. Putting "the rock" in a voyager episode just to get ratings. its sad............

    TNG never even tried to articificially generate ratings. I wish gene was still alive.

    By blppt January 19, 2001, 01:40 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    engage, make it so, number 1 are distinctive phrases of the character meant to build character. hes dead jim is a sad attempt at creating drama. just like shattners midsentence pauses were.

    Um, no there are several episodes, when in the heat of battle where the drama is building, and then Picard lets forth an "engage" and "make it so" meant for dramatic effect.

    Shatners midsentence pauses are terrible, agreed, but if you watch when McCoy sometimes uttered "He's Dead Jim" his face genuinely conveyed sadness.

    By Klashe January 19, 2001, 01:58 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    Um, no there are several episodes, when in the heat of battle where the drama is building, and then Picard lets forth an "engage" and "make it so" meant for dramatic effect.

    Shatners midsentence pauses are terrible, agreed, but if you watch when McCoy sometimes uttered "He's Dead Jim" his face genuinely conveyed sadness.

    I loved Shatner's midsentence pauses!


    They... were meant to be a little.... nuiance of his character. Something to....have his character....stick out....in people's minds. And....it worked. Anytime anyone does these...midsentence pauses....it's...immeadiately recognized by everyone.
    And yes, every series has them. You have to understand that in 50/60's all television shows were overacted. It wasn't just star trek:
    "To the moon, Alice!"
    "Luuuuuucyyyyyy!"
    "Holy Brown Underwear, Batman!"

    And ST:TNG had them too, they were just more understated.
    -Riker had his one eyed squint whenever he was suspcious of someone or was being challenge (check out Best of Both Worlds whenever he was around Shelby)
    -Data had a little breath before he ever inquired about humanity.
    -Picard had "Engage" and "number 1"
    -Barclay had his stutter
    -Worf had his repeating sentence of something he disagreed with (First Contact Riker: "Tough little ship you got there" Worf: "Little Ship?")
    So they always happen, it's just not as overstated as it was in the 50/60's

    By Captain Iglo January 19, 2001, 02:03 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:

    ...c) go on a killing spree through paramount studios.


    Head Shot!
    Rampage!

    AMD_Forever is on a Killing Spree!

    gotta LOVE UT... can't wait to get my Radeon 32 DDR and AthlonTB 1GHZ, my TNT2 sucks mercilessly with UT!

    By blppt January 19, 2001, 03:39 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Klashe:
    I loved Shatner's midsentence pauses!


    They... were meant to be a little.... nuiance of his character. Something to....have his character....stick out....in people's minds. And....it worked. Anytime anyone does these...midsentence pauses....it's...immeadiately recognized by everyone.
    And yes, every series has them. You have to understand that in 50/60's all television shows were overacted. It wasn't just star trek:
    "To the moon, Alice!"
    "Luuuuuucyyyyyy!"
    "Holy Brown Underwear, Batman!"

    And ST:TNG had them too, they were just more understated.
    -Riker had his one eyed squint whenever he was suspcious of someone or was being challenge (check out Best of Both Worlds whenever he was around Shelby)
    -Data had a little breath before he ever inquired about humanity.
    -Picard had "Engage" and "number 1"
    -Barclay had his stutter
    -Worf had his repeating sentence of something he disagreed with (First Contact Riker: "Tough little ship you got there" Worf: "Little Ship?")
    So they always happen, it's just not as overstated as it was in the 50/60's

    The best thing i liked about Picard was that he always seemed annoyed about something, especially the fact that he had children running around his ship all the time. He must be a lot more happy now that he has a true ship of battle. (1701E). In any case, it added an element of humor to his character. Oh---things you didnt notice, or just forgot to mention:

    Riker- Would always jump up from his chair, or even in his chair, strike a "dramatic pose" during action or tense scenes

    Data- Would tilt his head to one side during inquisitory conversations, and say "curious" a whole lot.

    By Notin January 19, 2001, 04:25 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Happy Phantom:
    Hey, about the next series, I read recently that it was going to be about the origins of the federation. Y'know, once we got up there into space after (i can't believe i've forgotten his name- played by james cromwell guy) invented warp speed. What happened after that. The problem i see with this, is that surely what people want to see is new stuff, new technology, not stuff that's been rendered obsolete by the next three series. Well, ok thats just how i feel...

    Well, as far as I'm concerned, it won't take much to get more interesting than the soap opera Voyager has become. I've stopped watching it, because they're no longer "going where no man has gone before", but rather just going back to the holodeck and the such. I'm *so* glad that that junk will be ending soon. I mean, DS9 was more interesting, because at least there you were discovering more about the individual cultures. And Ferengis always make life interesting ;p

    By Klashe January 19, 2001, 05:03 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:

    Riker- Would always jump up from his chair, or even in his chair, strike a "dramatic pose" during action or tense scenes


    LOL! Right, i remember that now!

    Riker : Shields Up!

    he would aways be the first to put the shields up. in fact, that's all he would say in battle! And if you looked at picard when he said it....he just looked slightly embarassed at how worthless riker was.

    By blppt January 19, 2001, 06:45 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Klashe:
    LOL! Right, i remember that now!

    Riker : Shields Up!

    he would aways be the first to put the shields up. in fact, that's all he would say in battle! And if you looked at picard when he said it....he just looked slightly embarassed at how worthless riker was.

    Doesnt it also seem that everytime Riker is put in command the Enterprise is captured (series), damaged(Insurrection), or destroyed (Generations)? I'd be a little reluctant to ever leave the bridge if i was Picard. Even Beverly managed to outwit the Borg when she was in command. ;-)

    By Notin January 19, 2001, 06:48 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    Doesnt it also seem that everytime Riker is put in command the Enterprise is captured (series), damaged(Insurrection), or destroyed (Generations)? I'd be a little reluctant to ever leave the bridge if i was Picard. Even Beverly managed to outwit the Borg when she was in command. ;-)

    Hmmm.. that's a very good point there. hehe. And why, exactly, did Riker keep his place as #1? Maybe there was something between him and Picard? ;p

    By Bataar January 19, 2001, 07:50 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Notin:
    Hmmm.. that's a very good point there. hehe. And why, exactly, did Riker keep his place as #1? Maybe there was something between him and Picard? ;p

    Riker's a wimp. He's alwasy been afraid to take his own command. Picard should have made Data his first officer.

    By Notin January 19, 2001, 07:53 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Riker's a wimp. He's alwasy been afraid to take his own command. Picard should have made Data his first officer.

    Hmmmm.. Data as his first officer would have been interesting. Especially if things went the way they did in Insurrection, with Data losing it. ::chuckle::

    Data's cool. He's one of my 3 favorite characters. ::grinne::

    By Bataar January 19, 2001, 09:36 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Notin:
    Hmmmm.. Data as his first officer would have been interesting. Especially if things went the way they did in Insurrection, with Data losing it. ::chuckle::

    Data's cool. He's one of my 3 favorite characters. ::grinne::

    Are you referring to when Data was damaged in Insurrection and his secondary protocols were engaged? That was funny when Picard was trying to get Worf to sing.

    By Notin January 19, 2001, 09:44 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Are you referring to when Data was damaged in Insurrection and his secondary protocols were engaged? That was funny when Picard was trying to get Worf to sing.


    Awww yeah! that was awesome. I loved it. Actually, those are my 3 favorites right there, Picard, Worf and Data.

    I'm actually very peeved right now. I still haven't seen First Contact... I never think of it when I'm at the video store. When it was out in theatre, no one would see it with me. That was back when I still spoke to people in "real life" and was ashamed to go to a movie alone... what an ass i was [and probably still am.. so shoosh with those comments that i see lurking on your fingertips ]. So, is it worth seeing?

    By blppt January 19, 2001, 09:50 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Notin:

    Awww yeah! that was awesome. I loved it. Actually, those are my 3 favorites right there, Picard, Worf and Data.

    I'm actually very peeved right now. I still haven't seen First Contact... I never think of it when I'm at the video store. When it was out in theatre, no one would see it with me. That was back when I still spoke to people in "real life" and was ashamed to go to a movie alone... what an ass i was [and probably still am.. so shoosh with those comments that i see lurking on your fingertips ]. So, is it worth seeing?


    Yes. One of the reasons it is so good is that there is far more of an emphasis on acting, action, and plotline than technobabble. I think even somebody who has never seen a Star Trek episode before would enjoy it. And can you believe all this was accomplished with Riker in the directors' chair? Too bad he didnt do such a good job with Insurrection....

    By blppt January 19, 2001, 09:51 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Riker's a wimp. He's alwasy been afraid to take his own command. Picard should have made Data his first officer.

    Never mind first officer, Data should have been captain! ;-)

    By Notin January 19, 2001, 09:56 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    Yes. One of the reasons it is so good is that there is far more of an emphasis on acting, action, and plotline than technobabble. I think even somebody who has never seen a Star Trek episode before would enjoy it. And can you believe all this was accomplished with Riker in the directors' chair? Too bad he didnt do such a good job with Insurrection....


    I must admit that after Insurrection I just sat there, expecting more to happen, because I had expected better. But a second watch on a normal TV was better. That was I didn't think "i'm paying 7 bux to see this on the big screen". It was a dissappointment on the big screen, but on tv it was fine. ::nod;: Sorry if i'm being redundant.

    By blppt January 19, 2001, 11:24 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Notin:

    I must admit that after Insurrection I just sat there, expecting more to happen, because I had expected better. But a second watch on a normal TV was better. That was I didn't think "i'm paying 7 bux to see this on the big screen". It was a dissappointment on the big screen, but on tv it was fine. ::nod;: Sorry if i'm being redundant.


    Yeah, the New York Times descibes Insurrection as "Breezy Hokum".

    I kinda like the movie. Its pretty cheesy, especially later on in the film when Riker announces he is taking 'manual control' of the enterprise and a computer joystick pops out of a column. Like one of those old $10 Quickshot ones. But it doesnt really take itself too seriously, and its an ok watch in my opinion. But its by no means a great movie. Just my $.02.

    By Fuzzball January 19, 2001, 11:42 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    Yeah, the New York Times descibes Insurrection as "Breezy Hokum".

    I kinda like the movie. Its pretty cheesy, especially later on in the film when Riker announces he is taking 'manual control' of the enterprise and a computer joystick pops out of a column. Like one of those old $10 Quickshot ones. But it doesnt really take itself too seriously, and its an ok watch in my opinion. But its by no means a great movie. Just my $.02.

    What was with that joystick comming out of the middle of the bridge. He had to stand. With the way I fly, there'd be no way I could stand up like he did. I'd hit the wall after the first turn. I think it would of been better for it to come out next to a chair like the helm or the captain's chair. That would of made sense. What if they got hit hard? He would lose his balance.

    Insurection just seemed like another episode to me. Now Insurection, a store that's near where I live, is a different story. Hehe

    By Klashe January 20, 2001, 01:13 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Fuzzball:
    What was with that joystick comming out of the middle of the bridge.

    Yeah, me and my friend make fun of that all the time.

    Riker: Oh no, our ship is damaged, we're venting plasma, and we have an enemy ship coming back around for another hit. We have no choice....bring up.....THE 2600 JOYSTICK.

    Cadet Rodriguez: Uh....sir. Are you sure?

    Riker: Yes, of COURSE I'm sure.

    Cadet Rodriguez: You know sir, I can control it much better with the helm. I got more buttons and stuff.

    Riker: DAMN YOU! WITHOUT THE JOYSTICK I CANNOT STRIKE A COOL POSTER POSE! BRING IT UP!

    Cadet: Well, um....how do you plan to control the ship moving in 3-D space with a 2-D joystick?

    Riker: Ummmmm....With the help of the N64 controller of course!


    That was the worst idea in star trek EVER.

    Other than killing off tasha yar.


    By Fuzzball January 20, 2001, 01:40 AM

    LMAO
    That's funnly Klashe.

    Reminds me of Mystery Science Theator 3000. I love that show. I wonder if Comedy Central still shows that. hehe

    By Notin January 20, 2001, 08:00 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Fuzzball:

    Insurection just seemed like another episode to me. Now Insurection, a store that's near where I live, is a different story. Hehe

    Perhaps the joystick was some kind of allusion to the store? you DID notice how he was holding it, right? [i dunno. i just made that up, but it sounds kinda plausible? ;p ]

    By Newbie-Overclocker January 20, 2001, 12:55 PM

    STV roX 7of9 DAAAAMMMMM! she has some NICE curves

    By AMD_Forever January 20, 2001, 01:41 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Riker's a wimp. He's alwasy been afraid to take his own command. Picard should have made Data his first officer.


    as commander shelby said in "the best of both worlds" commander riker hides in the shadow of a great man.

    bwa ha

    and as for riker always leaping up and saying shields up, you forgot the sitting down, spread eagled position, where he always decided to blast a RED ALERT right at the captains ear.

    By AMD_Forever January 20, 2001, 01:44 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Newbie-Overclocker:
    STV roX 7of9 DAAAAMMMMM! she has some NICE curves

    7of9 represents the degradation of the Star Trek Franchise (sp).


    Paramount Executive - We need more money and voyager isn't bringing in enough of it.
    Berman - Well, I have no vision for this show or any future star trek based shows, lets just throw tits at voyager and see if that solves the problem. If that doesn't work, throw wrestlers in. At lest we'll attract people like NewbieOverclocker.
    Gene Roddenbery From the Grave - I'm sooooooooo glad I'm dead.

    By Bataar January 20, 2001, 02:48 PM

    First Contact, IMO, is the best Star Trek movie ever made. I did like Insurrection. The problems it had, I blame on Rick Berman rather than Johnathon Frakes. I thought it had a decent storyline, the humor was good, but the action scenes in space should have been longer/better.

    By phat boy January 20, 2001, 03:12 PM

    I heard that the new series would be about Kirk at the acadamy with William Shatner playing his own father.

    By AMD_Forever January 20, 2001, 03:30 PM

    quote:Originally posted by phat boy:
    I heard that the new series would be about Kirk at the acadamy with William Shatner playing his own father.

    Highly unlikely.............

    By Bataar January 20, 2001, 05:30 PM

    quote:Originally posted by phat boy:
    I heard that the new series would be about Kirk at the acadamy with William Shatner playing his own father.

    That would suck. I want them to go farther into the future rather than stay in the 24th centure or go back to the past. I think the 29th century would be awesome, especially if they used those Time Ships.

    By AMD_Forever January 20, 2001, 09:40 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    That would suck. I want them to go farther into the future rather than stay in the 24th centure or go back to the past. I think the 29th century would be awesome, especially if they used those Time Ships.


    time ship based series would suck. doesnt time travel confuse you and give you a headache too?

    By dighn January 21, 2001, 01:10 AM

    that would just turn it into a show like timecop or something like that... besides 29th century is a bit too far into the future... it would be like another world....

    By Bataar January 21, 2001, 01:28 AM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:

    time ship based series would suck. doesnt time travel confuse you and give you a headache too?


    Not really, especially if they were based on a station that was outside of time. They could do episodes in any era past or future. There would be no way the stories could get old since there is an infinite amount of time to work with

    By Captain Iglo January 22, 2001, 07:12 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Not really, especially if they were based on a station that was outside of time. They could do episodes in any era past or future. There would be no way the stories could get old since there is an infinite amount of time to work with



    but an infinite amount of creativity is a requirement... unfortunately StarTrek writers have too many dollar bills floating around on their desk to concentrate.
    i hate Holodeck episodes,
    i also dislike the part where BORG nonoprobes inflitrate the Doctor's mobile emmitter and create a '29th century' drone, just because the material of the 'chassis' is from this time, why should a simple material contain enough information to create a fully developed BORG with sensors, shields etc...
    and if it was possible, it could be done over and over again, which means that the BORG would already have 29th century standard... destroying any consistency left in the universe.

    By Schmitty January 22, 2001, 12:55 PM

    They should just take a step past this generation like they did with TNG. I think that would be the best for all Trek fans. I was to young to like the original, I like all the graphics and the technological look of things.

    Are they making a new seris after Voyager or anything in the works right now? I hope they are, Voyager is alright, but I don't make it a habit to watch it not like TNG and DS9.

    By Bataar January 22, 2001, 04:05 PM

    As long as they take it farther into the future, it would be fine with me.

    By AMD_Forever January 22, 2001, 04:22 PM

    I want them to reinstate DS9. Really. Seriously.

    Why?

    Cause they left it with too many loose ends............who occupies cardassian space after the war? What happens to sisko (ive always HATED that he had to go off and be mr bajoran spiritual guy)?

    By Fuzzball January 22, 2001, 11:30 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    I want them to reinstate DS9. Really. Seriously.

    Why?

    Cause they left it with too many loose ends............who occupies cardassian space after the war? What happens to sisko (ive always HATED that he had to go off and be mr bajoran spiritual guy)?

    I totally agree. Also, I want to see the Defiant again. And I miss Odo's shapeshifting too. Wait, didn't he go back with the Founders? Arrr, it's been to long.

    By AMD_Forever January 22, 2001, 11:36 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Fuzzball:
    I totally agree. Also, I want to see the Defiant again. And I miss Odo's shapeshifting too. Wait, didn't he go back with the Founders? Arrr, it's been to long.

    yep

    odo bye bye to founder land

    kinda sucks
    startrek has a tendency to kill realtionships for no reason

    worf and deanna troi
    odo and kira
    worf and dax

    By Bataar January 23, 2001, 12:13 AM

    Starting DS9 over would be too much trouble, Sisko is gone, Worf is gone, Odo is gone, and O'Brien is gone. I'm interested to find out if they're going to bother including Worf in the next ST movie featuring the TNG cast. Worf's not even a member of Starfleet anymore so I don't know how that'll work. Maybe they'll explain why he's there the same way they did in Insurrection.

    Picard: Worf, What the hell are you doing here?

    Worf: Well, Captain, I was on.....

    LaForge: Captain, you're needed on the bridge, we have an urgent transmission.

    By blppt January 23, 2001, 02:16 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Starting DS9 over would be too much trouble, Sisko is gone, Worf is gone, Odo is gone, and O'Brien is gone. I'm interested to find out if they're going to bother including Worf in the next ST movie featuring the TNG cast. Worf's not even a member of Starfleet anymore so I don't know how that'll work. Maybe they'll explain why he's there the same way they did in Insurrection.

    Picard: Worf, What the hell are you doing here?

    Worf: Well, Captain, I was on.....

    LaForge: Captain, you're needed on the bridge, we have an urgent transmission.

    No its more like:

    LaForge: Captain, you're needed on the bridge, we have an urgent transmission....warp core breach!!!

    ;-)

    By Captain Iglo January 23, 2001, 04:56 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Starting DS9 over would be too much trouble, Sisko is gone, Worf is gone, Odo is gone, and O'Brien is gone.....

    i don't think it would be a good idea to warm DS9 up, no why not invent something completely different?

    so far, we had: the original with capt. quirk: a ship travelling through the galaxy (harassing Klingons and Romulans for fun from time to time), TNG: much like the original, except that the StarFleet plays a more important role, TNG is more related to the late ST movies with Kirk as captain.

    DS9 ships are boring, context is changing too quickly, stations don't move - even more boring - get ship (again), this time with weapons, the Defiant was born,
    D I F F E R E N C E (big) :
    a storyline from the Dominion initial encounter till the end.

    Voyager: StarFleet sucks, get away,
    the f a r e r the better!

    again no constant context, resulting in more and more desperate attempts to catch the watcher's attention -> 7 of 9, BORG battles, (which they miraculously survive again and again) and so on, Nothing to Report in the Delta Quadrant....

    next time, i would advise them to skip the StarFleet and probably the best approach would be to make a ST film about a Maquis-like group, becuase the StarFleet is boring, they are doing the same over and over again.

    By Newbie-Overclocker January 23, 2001, 12:25 PM

    hehe

    By Notin January 23, 2001, 01:12 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
    next time, i would advise them to skip the StarFleet and probably the best approach would be to make a ST film about a Maquis-like group, becuase the StarFleet is boring, they are doing the same over and over again.

    Hmm. I'd never thought of that before, but yeah. That would be cool. In DS9 they got into the Ferengi culture a fair amount, which I thought was really cool. Although, you know, in Voyager at the beginning they did a fair amount about the Maquiis. ::shrug:: But that would be pretty cool, to go into another culture, rather than be fixed on Starfleet so much.

    Whatever the next series is, it can't get much worse than Voyager is becoming... [anyone remember the times where they went through space with nothing in it? the whole no man's land thing? ::snicker::]

    By AMD_Forever January 25, 2001, 10:21 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Notin:
    Hmm. I'd never thought of that before, but yeah. That would be cool. In DS9 they got into the Ferengi culture a fair amount, which I thought was really cool. Although, you know, in Voyager at the beginning they did a fair amount about the Maquiis. ::shrug:: But that would be pretty cool, to go into another culture, rather than be fixed on Starfleet so much.

    Whatever the next series is, it can't get much worse than Voyager is becoming... [anyone remember the times where they went through space with nothing in it? the whole no man's land thing? ::snicker::]


    ferengi suck

    more than klingons even

    By Notin January 25, 2001, 10:24 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    ferengi suck

    more than klingons even

    Oi! I take personal offense to that! ;p

    Seriously tho, I think that there is a lot that we can learn from both cultures, if taken in moderation.

    Today is a good day to die
    -Klingon proverb

    By AMD_Forever January 25, 2001, 10:37 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Notin:
    Oi! I take personal offense to that! ;p

    Seriously tho, I think that there is a lot that we can learn from both cultures, if taken in moderation.

    Today is a good day to die
    -Klingon proverb

    more like today is a good day for constantly horny, primitive, blood thirsty klingons to come up with an excuse to murder people.

    By pompadorean January 25, 2001, 10:45 PM

    I wonder if this topic will ever end.

    if it reaches to 1000 in 2 weeks then i will actually watch one show. I promise i will if yo guys make it. just tell me when its on once this thread hits 1000.

    By Notin January 25, 2001, 10:57 PM

    quote:Originally posted by pompadorean:
    f it reaches to 1000 in 2 weeks then i will actually watch one show.

    Does this mean that you have never watched a Star Trek episode?

    ::jaw drops to floor::

    AMD: Nothing wrong with horny people killing other people, eh? ;p No, It basically just means that you should be prepared for death every day - have no regrets.

    By AMD_Forever January 25, 2001, 11:01 PM

    this thread is everlasting.
    soon, you shall be forced to endure watching seven of nine. dont worry, shes fun to watch if ya dont mind her being nothing but walking breasts.

    voyager sucks.

    By dighn January 25, 2001, 11:21 PM

    HEY WHAT'S WRONG WTIH STARFLEET?
    It belongs to the Federation(of planets) therefore it cannot suck!!! IT"S JUST NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!! it has vulcans huamns and commies it rocks!!

    By AMD_Forever January 25, 2001, 11:57 PM

    quote:Originally posted by dighn:
    HEY WHAT'S WRONG WTIH STARFLEET?
    It belongs to the Federation(of planets) therefore it cannot suck!!! IT"S JUST NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!! it has vulcans huamns and commies it rocks!!

    the prime directive sucks ass.
    thats whats wrong.

    ya know what would be a nice episode?
    Q goes to voyager, tells janeway hell zap her home, if she can justify it. think about it, voyager wouldnt give warp technology to a people who got stranded 5 lightyears from home without warp, should Q give them an instant trip home?

    maybe then shed understand how gay the prime directive is.

    By Bataar January 26, 2001, 03:11 AM

    I was just thinking. The Best of Both Worlds episodes were shown lately and when Picard was kidnapped by the Borg, Riker was officially made a Captain. It wasn't just a field commision, he was a Captain. Why was Riker demoted back to Commander?

    By AMD_Forever January 26, 2001, 03:13 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    I was just thinking. The Best of Both Worlds episodes were shown lately and when Picard was kidnapped by the Borg, Riker was officially made a Captain. It wasn't just a field commision, he was a Captain. Why was Riker demoted back to Commander?


    well they thought picard was dead and unretrievable, which is why riker got captain rank, but ya i guess riker was demoted.

    By pompadorean January 26, 2001, 03:14 AM

    nope. never watched more than i'd say 3 minutes of an episode.

    By Bataar January 26, 2001, 05:02 PM

    quote:Originally posted by AMD_Forever:
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bataar:
    [b]I was just thinking. The Best of Both Worlds episodes were shown lately and when Picard was kidnapped by the Borg, Riker was officially made a Captain. It wasn't just a field commision, he was a Captain. Why was Riker demoted back to Commander?


    well they thought picard was dead and unretrievable, which is why riker got captain rank, but ya i guess riker was demoted.

    [/B][/QUOTE]

    Poor Riker. I would have made them fight me to get that 4th pip back

    By blppt January 26, 2001, 05:15 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
    Poor Riker. I would have made them fight me to get that 4th pip back


    Riker fight? heehee. Everytime i remember Riker in a battle on the Enterprise, the ship was taken over or damaged or destroyed. I bet even that bitchy admiral that gave him the promotion in the first place could take his ass. ;-)

    By AMD_Forever January 26, 2001, 05:23 PM

    quote:Originally posted by blppt:
    Riker fight? heehee. Everytime i remember Riker in a battle on the Enterprise, the ship was taken over or damaged or destroyed. I bet even that bitchy admiral that gave him the promotion in the first place could take his ass. ;-)

    as was said before, beverly crusher with a bunch of ensigns on the bridge is better than riker.


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