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  • SharkyForums.Com - Print: Exahertz??

    Exahertz??
    By Maximus April 30, 2001, 02:07 PM

    I was just wondering if there is a limit to the inevidable speed of processors? Is it possible to manufature chips at a terahertz, petahertz, or even a exahertz??? The transistors would have to be built at the atomic level, maybe wiith attostructures.

    Just curious, if it will happen. Of course at the rate we are going we will be running about a gigahertz fsb, with a exahertz processor, cool!!! Of course if Intel makes a exahertz it will be the equivalent of a terahertz for the same price!!!

    I can just see myself someday talking to my kids who are on the computer that is embedded into their head and running at exahertz speeds, while I am talking about the good old days when you could actually see your computer and take it apart and oc it to 1.4ghz!! lol

    Any thoughts!!

    -Max

    By Mandorallen of Molynnr April 30, 2001, 02:37 PM

    I don't know. Hopefully we'll have moved onto atleast front side bus equaling clock speed. Hard drives rather be some form of ultra fast write RAM, and RAM will be be phased out for L1 cache.

    By KeeperMarius April 30, 2001, 02:40 PM

    Processors that use all 32 stages of the electron as a numerical value, (currently we only use 2), will be tons more faster.

    I think by then though we won't rate our computers by "megahertz".

    By Ghettoweasel April 30, 2001, 02:50 PM

    My own inclination is that they will reach a plateu with current technology then they will start expaning the bus. Wouldn't a 1mbit bus at 5ghz be nice.

    This is just MHO, there are techno guru's here that should be able to answer this much better than I.

    By Mr Roboto April 30, 2001, 03:02 PM

    I really dont know, but considering all the work IBM is doing with nano tubes, it does look promising

    By oziumJinx April 30, 2001, 03:12 PM

    I do not think we will ever stop getting faster and faster processor. As for Exahertz, i definatly think someday, in the not too distant future we will reach that point. unless of course sadam hussein destroys us all with his array of Playstation2's. But seriously, i think eventually we wont need to make the transistors smaller and smaller, i think they will come out with some kind of new technology, like holography or something that will just blow the pants off curent stuff. One day we will see this huge leap in processor speed. I just cant imagine slowly working our way up to exahertx from where we are now. But what i could see is: by the time we reach 10ghz (2005 or so) some new crazy shit will come out that will leapfrog that processor to like 78ghz or something that is completely new, running the latest flavor of windows...and the bootup process will take less than a half a second. that would be nice, and we would all have 100meg broadband tunnels running to our houses. And the sickest graphics chips with 2 gigs embedded super highspeed RAM. Oh how i cannot wait...and those days are a comin my friends. They are definatly a comin'

    By ClawViper April 30, 2001, 03:13 PM

    Naturaly there is a limit to how much it's possible to shrink a design. After that it's nececery to optimize/expand the core and improve efficiency.

    But hopefully optical, magnetic or organic cpu's will be replacing the aging electric computer.

    By Arcadian April 30, 2001, 03:13 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Maximus:
    I was just wondering if there is a limit to the inevidable speed of processors? Is it possible to manufature chips at a terahertz, petahertz, or even a exahertz??? The transistors would have to be built at the atomic level, maybe wiith attostructures.

    On current silicon based CMOS logic, some have estimated the limit as being between 10GHz and 20GHz. However, there are current efforts working on silicon germanium substrates (SiGe) with bipolar junction transistors (BJT), which may enable speeds up to 100GHz or more. After that, standard integrated transistors as we know them today will not be sufficient to allow greater speeds.

    By r3lic76 April 30, 2001, 03:27 PM

    And let me be the first in this topic to say, "what will the average Joe do with 100gigahertz?"

    Will this help me type my english essay any faster?

    I might just be thinking the technology is moving faster than Microsoft can bload up a new version of Windows, haha

    But then again, a few years ago people said "what are we gonna do with anything more than a 6gigabyte harddrive?"

    By ChencChris April 30, 2001, 03:38 PM

    quote:Originally posted by r3lic76:
    And let me be the first in this topic to say, "what will the average Joe do with 100gigahertz?"

    Will this help me type my english essay any faster?

    I might just be thinking the technology is moving faster than Microsoft can bload up a new version of Windows, haha

    But then again, a few years ago people said "what are we gonna do with anything more than a 6gigabyte harddrive?"

    I think that the speed that fast will allow us to have instant voice recognition, language translation, and tons of other goodies. Heck, maybe we will have an "instant-on" computer one day with that speed! (no os load time)

    By Maximus April 30, 2001, 03:51 PM

    quote:Originally posted by r3lic76:
    And let me be the first in this topic to say, "what will the average Joe do with 100gigahertz?"

    Will this help me type my english essay any faster?

    I might just be thinking the technology is moving faster than Microsoft can bload up a new version of Windows, haha

    But then again, a few years ago people said "what are we gonna do with anything more than a 6gigabyte harddrive?"

    Now you are right we don't need a 100ghz computer, but you have to think in the future.

    You could tell your computer what you want it to type, in real time, while it automatically audibly suggests changes to you paper, and offers new relivent information for your essay, in essence it writes the paper and helps you improve it, all while doing your taxes, downloading the latest hollywood movies, downloading your digital movie vmails, having your computer frag the hell out of your friend on UT 25, download your favorites artists' new album, and allowing NASA to use all the spare cycles for designing the 5th generation RLV on CAD, and any other normal activities you might do with your computer.

    You must think big if you are thinking about the future. Maybe someday we will get to the point where computers have so much excess power that we can stop worring about ocing and getting the latest hardware that we can focus our attention on the things in our lives that truely matter, spending time with our family, and friends.

    Just my two cents...

    -max

    By Moridin April 30, 2001, 04:22 PM

    Read my reply to your post in the HT forum here.
    http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/000483.html

    By Cornholio April 30, 2001, 04:54 PM

    quote:Originally posted by r3lic76:
    And let me be the first in this topic to say, "what will the average Joe do with 100gigahertz?"


    More advanced artificial intelligence is a possibility with this much processing power. Real time voice and vision recognition can be executed. Your computer may be progammed with the ability to carry out a conversation with people...imagine being able to tell your computer to schedule your doctor's appointment or to pay your bills (stuff I personally despise doing). It could almost be like having your own personal assistant. Or maybe you want to do some research, and you tell your computer to go search around online and find the most relevant information for you. Things like this can eliminate some of the tedious details of our lives, which I believe is a fairly exciting possibility.

    Also, game developers are always looking for more processing power than they are given. The quality of gaming at this point is going to be unreal.

    One of the most interesting things will be the capabilities of distributed computing. With hundreds of millions of computers running at tens of gigahertz, the potential is there to accelerate research into finding cures for diseases, gene research, etc. The amount of processing power out there will be huge.

    Just my $0.02.

    By Moridin April 30, 2001, 05:02 PM

    quote:Originally posted by r3lic76:
    And let me be the first in this topic to say, "what will the average Joe do with 100gigahertz?"

    Will this help me type my english essay any faster?

    I might just be thinking the technology is moving faster than Microsoft can bload up a new version of Windows, haha

    But then again, a few years ago people said "what are we gonna do with anything more than a 6gigabyte harddrive?"

    Bill Gates once said something to the effect of: What will the average Joe do with 640KB of RAM.

    (It went more like "640KB of RAM should be enough for anybody")

    Well is 640KB enough for you today?

    By richardginn April 30, 2001, 05:54 PM

    quote:Originally posted by r3lic76:
    And let me be the first in this topic to say, "what will the average Joe do with 100gigahertz?"


    simple, be able to play a football game that looks as good as you would see it on a HDTV and have it run at 60 fps.

    We can't do that now.

    By clone April 30, 2001, 06:29 PM

    at speeds so high cerebreal is the only way to go or at the least some sort of nerval proccesing

    By Shambles April 30, 2001, 07:02 PM

    Artificial intelligence will be inevitable in the future, once computing power is sufficient. We WILL have computers that are smarter than us in every way, and what's more, it could quite possibly be in our lifetimes.

    Even if we cannot program a computer to actually 'think', we will be able to use the raw power to simulate thinking to such a degree that it will be indistingishable to what we think of as intelligence. Similar to Nvidia's tactics of brute force in the graphics card industry only directed at AI.

    Perhaps then we can set a super powerful computer to design its successor (as in Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy), and who knows what sort of machine will result? It theoretically should be a much faster process than any machine designed by human beings.

    One thing for sure is that we will not be doing the same things we do today on computers - they will be integral to society in the future, and will not be found on only one or two desks in a house.

    By GoffyDude April 30, 2001, 07:14 PM

    i ahve to disagree about the AI computer designing a better one. All it knows is what we programmed into it by humans, it cant expand from that.

    By Abit400 April 30, 2001, 07:24 PM

    Actually, from what I have heard a lot of the new AI and nural networks that are being desinged actually have the theoretical power to be able to think on their own, and expand on what they have by making new nural connections, kind of like how our own brains work. Right now simple nural networks are being used (such as my bot program in Counter-Strike , but right now they are limitied to a small number of connections, therefor also limiting their thought power.
    What I think that will happen is we will be able to use more than just 2 electron stages. In the book Timeline by Micheal Crichton, these type of computers are sort of described and used.
    Right now I prefer what we have to any other kind of sytem of AI or letting the computer have more control to think and make decisions, but then again sometimes DOS looks a lot better than Windows when trying to get certain things done

    By ryguy April 30, 2001, 07:43 PM

    As far as processor speed goes, after we finish with the Silicon we can work with nanotubes or even DNA (Bell labs has been working on that one). Processors can blast past the 2D stage and into 3D. While this will probably take some time the potential is there. As mentioned previously, I think for most people (home/office) the demand for great processing power won't be there. Although industry can certainly use it. I know in Biotech, we are needing it now (thus the move into Life Sciences by IBM and others).

    In regards to AI, I think that it is possible for a computer to think on its own, but certainly not possible for it show the variety of traits humans have (curiosity, anger, jealousy, etc.)in a natural way.


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