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  • SharkyForums.Com - Print: Why does the PS2 cost so much?

    Why does the PS2 cost so much?
    By Duo May 28, 2001, 10:40 PM

    I mean come on, $299 for the PS2 thats rich. Also whats up with those bundles everyone has, you can't even just get the PS2, cheapest I have seen is for $369.

    Duo

    By jaggy May 28, 2001, 11:21 PM

    The price tag is obviously ment to mock those of us who can't afford it.. what's strange though, is that those people won't be buying a PS2 for the moment, and neither will those who think the price tag is just too high but can afford it.

    Although it's good to keep in mind that generally, console makers lose money when they sell a console, and make it from licensing.

    By Baconstrip May 28, 2001, 11:37 PM

    PS2 is really expensive to produce compared to the Gamecube.

    Sony wants to milk the thing. Why else would they have only included 2 controller ports, making you BUY the multitap?

    Sony sucks, PS2 sucks, nuff said

    By Chemical Euphoria May 29, 2001, 01:14 AM

    I agree, I have never been in Sony's corner when it comes to the Playstation 2. I loved PS1, but was expecting much more from their next-gen system. $299 is a hefty price tag for a system that for the most part does not give much graphical improvement over the modestly priced Dreamcast, and in my humble opinion, the games on PS2 do not make up for it's lacking hardware capabilities.

    When X-Box/Gamecube hit the market, Sony is going to have to consider a price reduction, given the specs these new systems are going to be pushing. I know everyone on here says to ignore specs, but in reality, you can't. It's nice to know what you're paying for, and what exactly is in the black box you just dropped 300 on.

    I myself, am a big X-Box fan, I think Microsoft, while a newbie in the console division, will produce a high quality machine, and give it the hardware to be a front-runner for some time to come. I do have to give credit to Gamecube however, for their incredibly competitive introductory pricing of $199. I wish both companies the best of luck, however, when it comes to the release day, I'll be camping out-front for an X-box.

    By jaggy May 29, 2001, 01:39 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Chemical Euphoria:
    I agree, I have never been in Sony's corner when it comes to the Playstation 2. I loved PS1, but was expecting much more from their next-gen system. $299 is a hefty price tag for a system that for the most part does not give much graphical improvement over the modestly priced Dreamcast, and in my humble opinion, the games on PS2 do not make up for it's lacking hardware capabilities.

    When X-Box/Gamecube hit the market, Sony is going to have to consider a price reduction, given the specs these new systems are going to be pushing. I know everyone on here says to ignore specs, but in reality, you can't. It's nice to know what you're paying for, and what exactly is in the black box you just dropped 300 on.

    I myself, am a big X-Box fan, I think Microsoft, while a newbie in the console division, will produce a high quality machine, and give it the hardware to be a front-runner for some time to come. I do have to give credit to Gamecube however, for their incredibly competitive introductory pricing of $199. I wish both companies the best of luck, however, when it comes to the release day, I'll be camping out-front for an X-box.

    The PS2 does not lack hardware-wise, the true problem lies in the difficulty that developpers have in USING the hardware to it's fullest capabilities. Nintendo, having already made a console that was hard to develop for (the N64) knows better this time, they've designed the Gamecube around ease of use, on the development side.
    Unfortunately i haven't really been keeping tabs on the xbox, so i couldn't say what microsoft is working on..

    By the way, did you see that article in which EA talks about the xbox?

    By game obbsessive freak May 29, 2001, 04:27 AM

    do bear in mind,not only is the PS2 a console,its also a DVD and cd player.

    By jaggy May 29, 2001, 04:29 AM

    quote:Originally posted by game obbsessive freak:
    do bear in mind,not only is the PS2 a console,its also a DVD and cd player.

    That's true, but the dreamcast and the playstation (1) are cd players too. Plus, although the PS2 does have a dvd player, it is not one of the best, although it is not one of the worst either, sort of midrange or so i hear.

    By Scuttle May 29, 2001, 05:00 AM

    quote:Originally posted by jaggy:
    That's true, but the dreamcast and the playstation (1) are cd players too. Plus, although the PS2 does have a dvd player, it is not one of the best, although it is not one of the worst either, sort of midrange or so i hear.


    From what i know its either a 6x or 8x. So yes, medium range of speed.

    By jaggy May 29, 2001, 05:07 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Scuttle:

    From what i know its either a 6x or 8x. So yes, medium range of speed.

    I ment quality and playback quality wise.. but thanks for the info, i had no clue

    On a sidenote, does DVD player speed make such a difference for movie playback? if you used a dvd drive for data, it would make a difference, but since there's no reason in watching a movie let's say at high speed, what does higher speed do?

    By Duo May 29, 2001, 01:15 PM

    Also you almost have to buy the DVD remote to use the DVD player on the PS2. I have heard its nearly impossibe to use the DVD without it. Also you have to buy the remote in order to use the DVD part on the xbox. Another way both Sony and M$ are trying to get more money out of us. I don't know why people want a console that plays DVD's some much, I just want a console that plays games and maybe later down the road has online gaming support.

    Duo

    By jaggy May 29, 2001, 01:19 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Duo:
    Also you almost have to buy the DVD remote to use the DVD player on the PS2. I have heard its nearly impossibe to use the DVD without it. Also you have to buy the remote in order to use the DVD part on the xbox. Another way both Sony and M$ are trying to get more money out of us. I don't know why people want a console that plays DVD's some much, I just want a console that plays games and maybe later down the road has online gaming support.

    Duo

    I think generally most people agree with what your saying, just that if a dvd player is bundled into the deal, they might as well take it, since they already want the console and there's no alternative just now

    By syc0tik May 29, 2001, 01:25 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Baconstrip:
    PS2 is really expensive to produce compared to the Gamecube.

    Sony wants to milk the thing. Why else would they have only included 2 controller ports, making you BUY the multitap?

    Sony sucks, PS2 sucks, nuff said

    Agreed.

    By Duo May 29, 2001, 01:40 PM

    Does anyone know how much it costs Sony to make a PS2?

    Duo

    By Scuttle May 29, 2001, 01:49 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Duo:
    Also you almost have to buy the DVD remote to use the DVD player on the PS2. I have heard its nearly impossibe to use the DVD without it.

    I've not brought it yet and don't intend to, if the gamepad can do it for free instead of me payin £30, i'll use the game pad.

    quote:Originally posted by Duo:

    Does anyone know how much it costs Sony to make a PS2?

    From the quality of the stuff inside there it can't be much. I've heard stories of people having parts of dead animals inside them, of RBG colour not working and comming out in black and white, of DVD players not even working. There are many more as well, but if Sony treats its customers by giving them goods which are that faulty, then i can't see the production costs being that high.

    By jaggy May 29, 2001, 01:52 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Duo:
    Does anyone know how much it costs Sony to make a PS2?

    Duo

    Sony spends $488 to make one PlayStation 2 unit.. so as i said before, they are definately losing money in this. It's all in the licensing i tells ya..

    P.S. it might of changed a bit from $488 but likely not much.

    By Duo May 29, 2001, 06:38 PM

    quote:Originally posted by jaggy:
    Sony spends $488 to make one PlayStation 2 unit.. so as i said before, they are definately losing money in this. It's all in the licensing i tells ya..

    P.S. it might of changed a bit from $488 but likely not much.

    Wow thats crazy, they really can't make money off of it. But if they make all their money off of licensing, then shouldn't they lower the price of the PS2 so more people can buy it and they raise the licensing fees slightly. Thus they will make more money then they are now.

    About the remote you don't need it to work the DVD player on the PS2, but it makes it a million times easier. Now as for the xbox you have to have to have the remote or you can't use the DVD player.

    Duo

    By jaggy May 29, 2001, 08:06 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Duo:
    Wow thats crazy, they really can't make money off of it. But if they make all their money off of licensing, then shouldn't they lower the price of the PS2 so more people can buy it and they raise the licensing fees slightly. Thus they will make more money then they are now.

    Yeah, most console making companies like that lose money on the actual console, it's been like that for the last few generations of consoles from what i know. As far as what your saying, it makes sense to me, but i can't really explain why they don't do that. From what i heard, Sony had to maybe make a new manufacturing place for PS2's which could explain why they haven't made the price lower. Plus unlike other consoles where eventually production cost goes down, i read that the PS2 is going to cost about the same for a while (plus that factory)

    By BuggyLoop May 29, 2001, 08:22 PM

    Naw duo, lowering the price of ps2 right now would be suicide business wise. Like you said, they must make the money back from software, which ps2 is lacking greatly right now. They'll lower it this fall when all the killer apps are out. By that time the manufacturing cost will also be lower so sony will lose less money at the sametime.

    Expect 249.99 retail price on november.

    Xbox cost 420$ or around that to manufacture.

    Gamecube is around 190/210$ if NEC didnt change their manufacturing plans..

    By jaggy May 29, 2001, 09:09 PM

    quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
    Gamecube is around 190/210$ if NEC didnt change their manufacturing plans..

    For real? that would mean incredibly competitive pricing at launch i would think.. which in turn means alot more people having the console

    By BuggyLoop May 29, 2001, 09:15 PM

    quote:Originally posted by jaggy:
    For real? that would mean incredibly competitive pricing at launch i would think.. which in turn means alot more people having the console

    Oh the retail price is already 199$ USA in case you didnt know, but the 190/120$ i was talking about was production cost.

    Nintendo could easily drop the price at 150$ at launch if they need to, but they dont need to With all the nintendo fans, gamecube will sell like hotcakes until summer 2002, a shortage situation sorta....Then at fall nintendo drop price to 150$ if not more etc etc.

    By jaggy May 29, 2001, 09:48 PM

    quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
    Oh the retail price is already 199$ USA in case you didnt know, but the 190/120$ i was talking about was production cost.

    Nintendo could easily drop the price at 150$ at launch if they need to, but they dont need to With all the nintendo fans, gamecube will sell like hotcakes until summer 2002, a shortage situation sorta....Then at fall nintendo drop price to 150$ if not more etc etc.

    Yeah i know what you were talking about... thanks for the info! This definately means that ill be getting a GC

    By Duo May 29, 2001, 11:32 PM

    quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
    Oh the retail price is already 199$ USA in case you didnt know, but the 190/120$ i was talking about was production cost.

    Nintendo could easily drop the price at 150$ at launch if they need to, but they dont need to With all the nintendo fans, gamecube will sell like hotcakes until summer 2002, a shortage situation sorta....Then at fall nintendo drop price to 150$ if not more etc etc.

    I think that the $199 price is a good deal for the Gamecube, but I'd like to see Nintendo lower it even more. They should slash the price of the GBA to $50-75 and cut the GC price to $125-150. With these prices Nintendo would kill the xbox and the PS2. Thats just a thought, I still am going to buy the GC at $199 and I might buy the GBA, if I can find a place that doesn't have those dumb bundles.

    Duo

    By Kero-chan May 30, 2001, 05:42 AM

    oi! nevermind...

    By bigdog77s May 30, 2001, 11:32 AM

    the main reason why the PS2 costs so much is they can. Right now the have no competition, granted GC and XBox will be out at end of the year, that leaves PS2 by itself (excluding the Dreamcast) by itself. Rember during X-mas when people were wanting the system and paying plenty for it. Well right now if anyone wants a console there is only one choice. I think they will cut prices dowen the road, i can see them selling a year old system for same price as a brand new XBox and that much more than a GC.

    By Duo May 30, 2001, 12:26 PM

    quote:Originally posted by bigdog77s:
    the main reason why the PS2 costs so much is they can. Right now the have no competition, granted GC and XBox will be out at end of the year, that leaves PS2 by itself (excluding the Dreamcast) by itself. Rember during X-mas when people were wanting the system and paying plenty for it. Well right now if anyone wants a console there is only one choice. I think they will cut prices dowen the road, i can see them selling a year old system for same price as a brand new XBox and that much more than a GC.

    Well don't you think it would be a good idea to slash prices now and insure a larger base base before the xbox and GC come out. Coz i know that not everyone can spend money on the PS2, GC and or the xbox, they can only buy one. So if Sony drops its price to $250 or even $200 they would sell more systems, even if the games that are out now suck. I know my friends bro would pick one up if they did that, heck even my bro would buy one. So Sony is prolly not playing holding all the cards well, in the end they'll lose to the cheaper and the better consoles in Nov. unless they build a larger user base now.

    Duo

    By bigdog77s May 30, 2001, 03:49 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Duo:
    Well don't you think it would be a good idea to slash prices now and insure a larger base base before the xbox and GC come out. Coz i know that not everyone can spend money on the PS2, GC and or the xbox, they can only buy one. So if Sony drops its price to $250 or even $200 they would sell more systems, even if the games that are out now suck. I know my friends bro would pick one up if they did that, heck even my bro would buy one. So Sony is prolly not playing holding all the cards well, in the end they'll lose to the cheaper and the better consoles in Nov. unless they build a larger user base now.

    Duo



    I know there isn't a thing as too much user base and they couild use more but don't they have a pretty good size now? besides if people want a machine now then like i said PS2 is only one out there. and rigt now really isn't buying season anyways

    By Duo May 30, 2001, 06:12 PM

    quote:Originally posted by bigdog77s:

    I know there isn't a thing as too much user base and they couild use more but don't they have a pretty good size now? besides if people want a machine now then like i said PS2 is only one out there. and rigt now really isn't buying season anyways


    I don't think they have one that is a large as the PSX was. I know 20 people who gave up on the PS2, too hard to find, and another 10 who sold theirs or its sitting in a corner. I was thinking about picking up one, but when I saw the price, I said no to PS2.

    Duo

    By jaggy May 30, 2001, 07:37 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Duo:
    I was thinking about picking up one, but when I saw the price, I said no to PS2.

    Absolutely brilliant, the way you put it that is

    In fact i think ill add it to my quotes database

    By Duo May 30, 2001, 10:22 PM

    quote:Originally posted by jaggy:
    Absolutely brilliant, the way you put it that is

    In fact i think ill add it to my quotes database

    Now is that a good thing or a bad thing?

    Duo


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