What do you think ?

I noticed that whenever the questions hits the issue of driver quality, Dave Orton tried to downplay it to something like the re-organizing the software team, the reluctancy of software developer's acceptance, and ignorance of Radeon features, etc..

And then TRUEFORM. Men, ATI has not learned from the failure of 3dfx. Driver quality is the reason of hardware sales. Poor driver, poor sales and poor acceptance. Period.

When Radeon is running shaky and struggling with performance and quality, come along the TRUEFORM. I do not believe this feature will fly high judging from the current status of ATI software engineering. May be just blow up skyhigh like Radeon.

ATI should fire the leader of software engineering department. Wait, if the guy is CEO's son, then ATI should release the source codes to the public and compete with open source version.

quote:Originally posted by leoku:
What do you think ?

I noticed that whenever the questions hits the issue of driver quality, Dave Orton tried to downplay it to something like the re-organizing the software team, the reluctancy of software developer's acceptance, and ignorance of Radeon features, etc..

And then TRUEFORM. Men, ATI has not learned from the failure of 3dfx. Driver quality is the reason of hardware sales. Poor driver, poor sales and poor acceptance. Period.

When Radeon is running shaky and struggling with performance and quality, come along the TRUEFORM. I do not believe this feature will fly high judging from the current status of ATI software engineering. May be just blow up skyhigh like Radeon.

ATI should fire the leader of software engineering department. Wait, if the guy is CEO's son, then ATI should release the source codes to the public and compete with open source version.

so you want him to say: "dude, i know all you guys want to hear is that our driver team sucks, and so i'm saying they suck! you happy?"
get over it man... you put yourself in his position and you'd say the same thing he said in the interview.

also i dont think radeon is on shaky ground. radeon works perfectly for me. both in win98 and win2k with the exception of 2 bugs in OGL in win2k.
but what card doesnt have bugs?

*raises finger and opens mouth in response to what Kero-Chan said*

Th- *pauses* ... Your right.

As far as the interview went... I was a little disappointed in the questions selected. XD Maybe because only one of them was mine, but *Shrugs* it seems like there were too many questions that you couldn't really honestly hope for a straight answer on.

-lostboy

Actually, I thought the questions were well-chosen, and you basically got all out of Dave he could say without violating company policy. Read all those "it would be safe to assume"'s as straight answers, and you will see my point. As far as driver problems with the Radeon, what driver problems? People without a Radeon get a little happy with that "ATI drivers suck" response, and it's tired. People with Radeons tend to be happy creatures. I don't come here to bash Nvidia, what with their bad-mouthing of Trueform and all, I am just amazed at the close-mindedness of some people over past problems that have since been resolved. The newer 64DDR SE Radeons are performing where it counts, in today's games (Sacrifice, Giants, etc.), and the R200 will no doubt be a good performer as well. So is the GeForce3.

That, and no one seems to want to admit that n-patches sound like a heckuva lot better solution than rt-patches. (Lets see, I can code my new game for rt-patches, but it will add a month's worth of coding to the production and render the title unplayable on non-Geforce3 machines, hmmm...) Figure the odds of coders opting for code-heavy, proprietary-to-Geforce3 to the exclusion of other cards (unless you opt for slide-show software emulation) rt-patches. With hardware n-patches, I will be able to see the difference in games I alrady own the day I buy my R200, and the odds are well in my favor that n-patches will be implemented in future titles (let's see, I can sell a guaranteed 10,000 units of my game to R200 users crazy to see what n-patches can do on their card, and all it will cost me is a few lines of code, and it won't even matter on non-R200 machines...sign me up!!)

I also fail to see what the problem is with the 1.4 pixel shader implementation on the R200. It can handle the 1.1-3 spec as well, and my guess is that if indeed there is any overhead involved in processing a lower spec, it will be negligible at best, similar to processing a few lines in a text document.

"When Radeon is running shaky and struggling with performance and quality"...Seriously, some of you act as if Dave Orton himself showed up at your house and took a dump on your rug. Why?

quote:Originally posted by Kero-chan:

so you want him to say: "dude, i know all you guys want to hear is that our driver team sucks, and so i'm saying they suck! you happy?"
get over it man... you put yourself in his position and you'd say the same thing he said in the interview.

also i dont think radeon is on shaky ground. radeon works perfectly for me. both in win98 and win2k with the exception of 2 bugs in OGL in win2k.
but what card doesnt have bugs?

So you say you can live with the 2 bugs, right ? If you know there is a bug, what would you do ?

Check the reviews of Radeon, especially those comparing Radeon with KYRO II, GF3 and etc. There are instances that Radeon could not run the test. I do not have to give you an example here since you can find an example in this board.

The trueth is trueth. If your Radeon works for you, then you are a happy man. But for others, the issues still exists and need to be reported and resolved.

So far ATI failed the later part.

quote:Originally posted by leoku:

So you say you can live with the 2 bugs, right ? If you know there is a bug, what would you do ?

Check the reviews of Radeon, especially those comparing Radeon with KYRO II, GF3 and etc. There are instances that Radeon could not run the test. I do not have to give you an example here since you can find an example in this board.

The trueth is trueth. If your Radeon works for you, then you are a happy man. But for others, the issues still exists and need to be reported and resolved.

So far ATI failed the later part.

what exactly do you mean by "what would you do?" i have given up on pc games because they are shit. i'm buying a ps2 and gamecube.

as far as the bugs, no doubt ati knows about them and is currently working to resolve them. i dont think the initial driver team was really going for win2k support since most home users use win9x

better drivers are always a good thing, but i really don't think that the Radeon series of cards is 'on shaky ground'.

my Radeon 32DDR is completely hassle-free for me, i know lots of people have problems with it, incompatibilty (with AMD, VIA, etc), but this is either the result of tweaking or just bad luck (faulty hardware, whatever, might as well be the mainboard's fault). the majority of satisfied users does not post, all you see is:

HELP, Radeon/GeForce/Kyro.. problems!

finally, i'd like to remind you, that the GeForce series is equally plagued by problems, same for Kyros (got to www.GeForceFAQ.com ), ATi's retail market share is 48%, their current problem is NOT user acceptance, it's the OEM business, because that's where the money is.

running winME on

Athlon 840 (140*6)
KT7A
256MB PC133@140 2-2-2
Radeon 32DDR @190
...

quote:Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
better drivers are always a good thing, but i really don't think that the Radeon series of cards is 'on shaky ground'.

my Radeon 32DDR is completely hassle-free for me, i know lots of people have problems with it, incompatibilty (with AMD, VIA, etc), but this is either the result of tweaking or just bad luck (faulty hardware, whatever, might as well be the mainboard's fault). the majority of satisfied users does not post, all you see is:

HELP, Radeon/GeForce/Kyro.. problems!

finally, i'd like to remind you, that the GeForce series is equally plagued by problems, same for Kyros (got to www.GeForceFAQ.com ), ATi's retail market share is 48%, their current problem is NOT user acceptance, it's the OEM business, because that's where the money is.

running winME on

Athlon 840 (140*6)
KT7A
256MB PC133@140 2-2-2
Radeon 32DDR @190
...

you have a point. i keep forgetting that ati once again has the market share in retail boards since 3dfx went buh-bye.