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  • SharkyForums.Com - Print: IM LOSING MY PATIENCE!!!

    IM LOSING MY PATIENCE!!!
    By Ganja September 05, 2001, 07:05 AM

    WHERE THE HELL IS HTE nFORCE?!!?!?!?!?!
    I NEED ONE NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

    By Trav2003 September 05, 2001, 09:41 PM

    ditto, I want benchmarks, I want press releases, I want info, I heard more June 5, 6, or whenever the original info was released than I am know, i know less about it than I did before

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    By minus200 September 06, 2001, 12:32 AM

    check out www.vaporware.hype

    it will be out before January

    By Ganja September 06, 2001, 09:46 AM

    quote:Originally posted by minus200:
    check out www.vaporware.hype

    it will be out before January


    BEFORE JANUARY1?!!?!?!!?!@
    They said inbetween august and spetember that we would start seeing the first boards start shipping!!
    Anyways that link dont work dude.

    By Onlyonerhino September 07, 2001, 08:26 PM

    WTF? I heard two weeks age they were starting production (in two weeks), and would be shipping by end of September!

    By Raptor2150 September 07, 2001, 10:13 PM

    They'd better.... grrrrr

    By private pile September 07, 2001, 10:50 PM

    All I know is that if they don't release it soon my fish will be the target of my aggression!!

    By Fig September 08, 2001, 02:14 AM

    quote:Originally posted by private pile:
    All I know is that if they don't release it soon my fish will be the target of my aggression!!

    Please do make sure that you video tape this so that we can ship it off to nVidia to show them what they are doing to perfectly sane(well, that is negotiable) people! Maybe you could actually sue and declare that it has caused mental, and emotional distress?

    By Captain Iglo September 08, 2001, 11:45 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Raptor2150:
    They'd better.... grrrrr

    ..make sure it outperforms the KT266A??

    By Ganja September 08, 2001, 11:50 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
    ..make sure it outperforms the KT266A??

    It will I can assure you that.
    Anyways the KT266A is a VIA chipset,ewwwwww Id stay away from that if I were you.

    By Trav2003 September 08, 2001, 01:32 PM

    production should have started and we should see boards the end of september.... That vaporeware.hype site is not real, and I assume january was a made up response...

    By Zeke September 08, 2001, 07:44 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Ganja:
    WHERE THE HELL IS HTE nFORCE?!!?!?!?!?!
    I NEED ONE NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

    My sons used to act like that waiting for Christmas. They were about 4 or 5 years old at the time.
    z

    By TheUltimateNewbie September 08, 2001, 08:21 PM

    Supposedly, it performed worse than the AMD 760 chipset.
    ...
    That's what SSXeon told me.

    By Ganja September 09, 2001, 02:42 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Zeke:
    My sons used to act like that waiting for Christmas. They were about 4 or 5 years old at the time.
    z
    If your response it not gonna have anything that makes sense plz shush.

    By Ganja September 09, 2001, 02:43 PM

    quote:Originally posted by TheUltimateNewbie:
    Supposedly, it performed worse than the AMD 760 chipset.
    ...
    That's what SSXeon told me.

    And your gonna listen to the most biased person in these forums?

    By Mandorallen of Molynnr September 09, 2001, 03:33 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Ganja:
    It will I can assure you that.
    Anyways the KT266A is a VIA chipset,ewwwwww Id stay away from that if I were you.

    We'll see when it's released. The nForce will have more brute muscle but the KT266A has a good chance of keeping up or bettering it.

    By Ganja September 10, 2001, 01:14 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Mandorallen of Molynnr:
    We'll see when it's released. The nForce will have more brute muscle but the KT266A has a good chance of keeping up or bettering it.


    I know how the KT266A performs dude.But what good is that if its using a VIA chipset?I dont like VIA cause they are unstable dude.

    By Raptor2150 September 10, 2001, 01:22 AM

    Eh? Now you've got me all confused. If the nforce has more brute muscle, and people keep saying that the VIA is unstable, then how is the kt266a able to keep up with it or better it?

    By Mandorallen of Molynnr September 10, 2001, 03:46 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Raptor2150:
    Eh? Now you've got me all confused. If the nforce has more brute muscle, and people keep saying that the VIA is unstable, then how is the kt266a able to keep up with it or better it?

    Because the nForce is a dual channel DDR chipset, and the KT266A is a single channel DDR chipset. However, the current AMD processors cannot make use of all that bandwidth, and that's why the KT266A might be able to hold it's own against the nForce.

    I've read a lot about VIA instabilities, however this is greatly exagerated. There are a good number of people here who haven't had problems with their VIA based platforms, and there have been those who have had a lot of problems. Suffice to say that I've worked with a fair amount of VIA based EPoX, MSI and Abit boards, haven't had that many problems. Most VIA problems can be laid down to bad 4-in-1 drivers, or a bad mix of components.

    Anyone who thinks that the nForce is definetly going to come out with no problems and a lot more stable than a comparitive VIA has to be at least a little naive or biased.

    By yiotis September 10, 2001, 06:08 AM

    Is it possible to set nforve run at full bandwidth with the cpu.Or shall we see nforce at full bandwidth with amd and intel cpu?

    By yiotis September 10, 2001, 06:12 AM

    However will nforce use full bandwidths with amd or even intel cpu's at the future?

    By Ganja September 10, 2001, 11:38 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Mandorallen of Molynnr:
    Most VIA problems can be laid down to bad 4-in-1 drivers, or a bad mix of components.

    Anyone who thinks that the nForce is definetly going to come out with no problems and a lot more stable than a comparitive VIA has to be at least a little naive or biased.

    About VIA im not even gonna bother you just contradicted your own words.And about biased well umm actually im not but what I do know is that nforce is gonna do like I said.Why do you think they made all these delays?THEY ARE SORTING OUT THE BUGS.

    By Mandorallen of Molynnr September 10, 2001, 12:03 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Ganja:
    About VIA im not even gonna bother you just contradicted your own words.And about biased well umm actually im not but what I do know is that nforce is gonna do like I said.Why do you think they made all these delays?THEY ARE SORTING OUT THE BUGS.

    How did I contradict my own words? Most VIA problems are 4-in-1 related. So...? There are problems in VIA based systems, on occasion. Not nearly as much as everyone makes out. IRQ conflicts, VIA's intergrated display resetting itself to 640x480 on every restart, the famous SBLive! vs Southbridge problem, etc...

    However, each of these are quite easily solved, IRQ conflicts and screwups - disable ACPI, reinstall Windows, or just install the 4-in-1's. VIA Display - install monitor driver. SBLive/686SB (only a certain stepping), set PCI latency to 0 or install 4-in-1's.

    But the point is these problems don't appear nearly as often as some people like to believe. Even had problems with an i440 BX, probably one of the most stable chipsets ever. It happens.

    nVidia can take all their time in releasing the nForce, and I hope it's fairly bug free, like the SiS 735. But no one really knows. Chances are that there will be a few problems.

    NS : When did I say you were biased?

    By Captain Iglo September 11, 2001, 05:59 AM

    quote:Originally posted by yiotis:
    However will nforce use full bandwidths with amd or even intel cpu's at the future?

    1: no

    2: yes, probably

    AMD: dual channel PC2100, 133MHz 128bit DDR, but the CPU has only a 64 bit wide FSB. go figure.

    Intel's P4, on the other hand, has a 100MHz 64 bit QDR FSB which is easily OC'ed to 133MHz. doing this overclock and using synchronous RAM/FSB clocks would certainly result in impressive performance.

    but nVidia does not have a license yet, as far as i know.

    By Ganja September 11, 2001, 12:25 PM

    Even if the CPU cant provide that bandwith the 128 bit memory archtecture still helps out.
    Example VIA KT133 chipset only supports 100mhz FSB BUT its allow the memory to run at 133mhz,see where im coming from?Even though that FSB is slower the extra memory speed still helps.

    By Moridin September 11, 2001, 09:26 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Ganja:
    Even if the CPU cant provide that bandwith the 128 bit memory archtecture still helps out.
    Example VIA KT133 chipset only supports 100mhz FSB BUT its allow the memory to run at 133mhz,see where im coming from?Even though that FSB is slower the extra memory speed still helps.

    When you run memory faster you not only increase its bandwidth, but also reduce its latency. This doesn't apply to DDR. That is why 200 MHz SDR is faster then 100 MHz DDR even though they would both have the same bandwidth.

    NForce doesn't run the memory any faster then the Via chipset does, so it don't get any of these benefits.

    By Ganja September 12, 2001, 01:13 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Moridin:
    When you run memory faster you not only increase its bandwidth, but also reduce its latency. This doesn't apply to DDR. That is why 200 MHz SDR is faster then 100 MHz DDR even though they would both have the same bandwidth.

    NForce doesn't run the memory any faster then the Via chipset does, so it don't get any of these benefits.


    I know its not faster but IT HAS MORE BANDWITH.
    Sheesh do you guys think that the engineers at nvidia are morons?
    They wouldnt be making it dual channel if they knew it woudlnt make a diference.
    WELL OF COURSE ITS GOING TO MAKE A DIFERENCE.

    By Moridin September 13, 2001, 12:09 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Ganja:
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Moridin:
    [b] When you run memory faster you not only increase its bandwidth, but also reduce its latency. This doesn't apply to DDR. That is why 200 MHz SDR is faster then 100 MHz DDR even though they would both have the same bandwidth.

    NForce doesn't run the memory any faster then the Via chipset does, so it don't get any of these benefits.


    I know its not faster but IT HAS MORE BANDWITH.
    Sheesh do you guys think that the engineers at nvidia are morons?
    They wouldnt be making it dual channel if they knew it woudlnt make a diference.
    WELL OF COURSE ITS GOING TO MAKE A DIFERENCE.

    [/B][/QUOTE]

    It DOES NOT have more bandwidth between the processor and memory, and that is where bandwidth is really needed. By way of comparison, the i840 had three times as much bandwidth as an over clocked BX (133 MHz) but performed at about the same level.

    By 3nrag3d_g1mp September 13, 2001, 01:11 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Ganja:
    WHERE THE HELL IS HTE nFORCE?!!?!?!?!?!
    I NEED ONE NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

    geez you think that when 10000+ people get killed that people might shut the up about this kinda crap, i mean, seriously, noone cares dude so go yourself.

    By Moridin September 13, 2001, 10:40 AM

    quote:Originally posted by 3nrag3d_g1mp:
    geez you think that when 10000+ people get killed that people might shut the up about this kinda crap, i mean, seriously, noone cares dude so go yourself.


    This was a terrible tragedy, but do you expect people to put their whole lives on hold because of it? I for one just want to get my life back to normal as soon as possible.

    I know this is not possible for everyone especially for someone like motoman who was in the building at the time (and made it out safely thank god) but the best thing to do is get back to your normal life and routine as fast as possible.

    This is a horrible horrible thing to happen, but I refuse to let criminals like this do more damage then they have already caused by inflicting emotional damage as well as death and destruction. Remember, emotional damage and destruction to our lives was the goal of this attack, and the death and destruction was only a side effect.

    I for one refuse to let myself be caught up in this. I will not allow this to change my life. I think we can go on with normal lives while taking steps to ensure this type of thing does not happen again, and that is what I plan on doing.

    BTW I am hopeful at this point that the death toll will be below 5000. This is well below the 10000+ I had thought could be dead. I know it is strange to think of 5000 deaths as good news, but that is still 10 000 that are still alive who could have been dead.

    Besides, the post you are quoting was made 6 days before the attack.

    By Ganja September 13, 2001, 01:47 PM

    quote:Originally posted by 3nrag3d_g1mp:
    geez you think that when 10000+ people get killed that people might shut the up about this kinda crap, i mean, seriously, noone cares dude so go yourself.

    Excuse me MORON,look at the date of the post I made this post before that even happened so go vent your frustrations somewhere else and stop flamming.


    By Trav2003 September 13, 2001, 11:06 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Ganja:
    Excuse me MORON,look at the date of the post I made this post before that even happened so go vent your frustrations somewhere else and stop flamming.

    I was about to point that out, don't worry Ganja I love u We are all sorry for what happened, but these posts are mostly before what happened and at that time we were all having fun dreaming of what systems we're going to get... none of that really matters now...


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