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  • SharkyForums.Com - Print: Anyone notice the EXCESSIVE cheating on Counter-Strike now?

    Anyone notice the EXCESSIVE cheating on Counter-Strike now?
    By Snoop Dogg October 06, 2001, 01:36 PM

    Thanks to the jack@$$es at VALVe for not supporting Punkbuster...good job morons.

    Its not even funny almost every BIG server I go to (cuz I like lots of peeps) there is 5 or more cheaters. Then those cheaters piss off non cheaters so they want to cheat and it just ARRGHHHH gets outta hand...we need a fix!

    By Xeratul October 06, 2001, 03:00 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Snoop Dogg:
    Thanks to the jack@$$es at VALVe for not supporting Punkbuster...good job morons.

    Its not even funny almost every BIG server I go to (cuz I like lots of peeps) there is 5 or more cheaters. Then those cheaters piss off non cheaters so they want to cheat and it just ARRGHHHH gets outta hand...we need a fix!


    Yes, i agree. Valve sucks

    By Kero-chan October 06, 2001, 03:21 PM

    the cs community sucks. i bite my tongue when i suspect people of cheating, but i had 2 assholes spend the whole time accusing me of cheating saying i was using an aimbot.. it's rediculous. UT has cheats doesnt it? but i've never been called a cheater in that...
    screw cs and screw valve! bring on the Q3 capturestrike!

    By RPG Junkie October 06, 2001, 03:37 PM

    In TFC they said I cheated and I used aimbot also, WHATS AIMBOT, but anyways they said that cause I lead the kill board by 50 kills and I was a sniper.

    By dighn October 06, 2001, 05:01 PM

    that's a perfectly normal score for a good TFC sniper. whoever said that must be newbie or just f*cked up

    By Ganja October 06, 2001, 06:05 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Snoop Dogg:
    Thanks to the jack@$$es at VALVe for not supporting Punkbuster...good job morons.

    Its not even funny almost every BIG server I go to (cuz I like lots of peeps) there is 5 or more cheaters. Then those cheaters piss off non cheaters so they want to cheat and it just ARRGHHHH gets outta hand...we need a fix!

    LOL for real man each post of you makes me laugh so hard.
    First of all PB WILL be supported if im not mistaken thats what I read at PlantHL.
    Second of all about the cheating I can just imagine it now you on a server crying cheater at the first person that shoots u behind a box or something.I mean your saying that every server you go to there are at least 5 cheaters?
    LOFL yet again im going to tell you get your facts straight before you post things like this cause umm its makes you look like umm a moron.Cheating is a problem in CS but not the way you paint the picture.I see cheaters maybe once or twice a week and they immediatly get banned from the server do its not such a big deal to me.

    By Scuttle October 06, 2001, 06:21 PM

    Just because you only bump into cheaters once or twice a week does not mean Snoop Dogg is painting an untrue picture, he is simply drawing on the experiences he has had with cheaters in CS. For all we know he could've gone into 5 succesive servers and had several cheaters in each whereas you or i could go into 100 servers and not come across one. It's all in the luck of the draw.

    By clickx17 October 06, 2001, 06:52 PM

    Hacking is more of problem than cheating. I know some hacks but I don't use them. Cheating is detected more than hacking. Hacking takes more skill than cheating.

    By Wollington October 06, 2001, 07:36 PM

    Its all got out of hand now. What the hell is the point in playing a god damn game if your gonna cheat!?!?! What a waste of bloody time!

    RPGJunkie, i've been there, I was a soldier on Hunted, I had about 30 more frags than anyone on my team, and I kept killing this one sniper, who was crap. He insisted I'd used aimbot.

    If your gonna get a computer to help you (I presume thats what aimbot is) then why don't you just f'ing well spectate, seen as your not playing anyway!!

    By ymeegod October 06, 2001, 08:06 PM

    As far as I know PB dropped it's support because Valve wouldn't support it--why should they it didn't work to begin with.

    As for cheating--alot of people are acussing more of cheating but in reality it's not as high as people claim.

    Back in beta 5 I used to shoot though sides of walls and creates because alot of times the enemy would be hiding behind them. People accussed me of using Halo (it was the glow cheat) and tried to ban me from the game. However, an observer told them that I ALWAYS shot there even if nobody was there. See to prove if someones cheating observe them awhile--more than just a peak.

    By dighn October 06, 2001, 08:11 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Ganja:
    LOL for real man each post of you makes me laugh so hard.
    First of all PB WILL be supported if im not mistaken thats what I read at PlantHL.
    Second of all about the cheating I can just imagine it now you on a server crying cheater at the first person that shoots u behind a box or something.I mean your saying that every server you go to there are at least 5 cheaters?
    LOFL yet again im going to tell you get your facts straight before you post things like this cause umm its makes you look like umm a moron.Cheating is a problem in CS but not the way you paint the picture.I see cheaters maybe once or twice a week and they immediatly get banned from the server do its not such a big deal to me.


    what was so funny about mine?

    By RPG Junkie October 06, 2001, 09:29 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Wollington:
    Its all got out of hand now. What the hell is the point in playing a god damn game if your gonna cheat!?!?! What a waste of bloody time!

    RPGJunkie, i've been there, I was a soldier on Hunted, I had about 30 more frags than anyone on my team, and I kept killing this one sniper, who was crap. He insisted I'd used aimbot.

    If your gonna get a computer to help you (I presume thats what aimbot is) then why don't you just f'ing well spectate, seen as your not playing anyway!!


    I know dude, pisses me off, and plus if I HAD aimbot on I would be up in the hundreds, not 91 kills, you know what I mean. Same for you if you had aimbot you'd be up in the hundreds too.

    By WolskiDK October 06, 2001, 09:44 PM

    This crap is everywhere. The Q3 community is going through the same thing. Id just released a new Patch and it didn't even address these lamers...

    By Ganja October 06, 2001, 09:46 PM

    quote:Originally posted by clickx17:
    Hacking is more of problem than cheating. I know some hacks but I don't use them. Cheating is detected more than hacking. Hacking takes more skill than cheating.


    Umm since when are hacks and cheats two diferent things?

    By Ganja October 06, 2001, 09:49 PM

    quote:Originally posted by dighn:
    what was so funny about mine?


    Not you,im talking to snoop

    By clickx17 October 06, 2001, 09:49 PM

    Hacks you type in console and change the game play I am not going to list any though.

    By PointlesS October 06, 2001, 11:57 PM

    yeah...cs gets lame with cheaters....I was playing on a server and the ADMIN was cheating..he was shooting before he saw the person...headshot with mp5 everytime....when I left he was like 70/2....

    By tu2thepoo October 07, 2001, 12:25 AM

    quote:Originally posted by WolskiDK:
    This crap is everywhere. The Q3 community is going through the same thing. Id just released a new Patch and it didn't even address these lamers...
    I read somewhere that id released a patch back when that addressed some issue where you could jump a longer distance if you had higher FPS, and that so many people bitched at them that they put the bug back in...

    By Vizer October 07, 2001, 12:48 AM

    PB will not be supported because the guys at punkbuster could not do anymore work to get rid of hacks that went right into the Half Life system. they needed the help of Valve and they could not get valve to take up the effort because valve was supposedly busy with too many other new products to care about the old ones...

    By ymeegod October 07, 2001, 01:47 AM

    Hmmm do you really believe that? I think the wanted the Big Green Dollars and valve didn't buy it. Why should they when it kicks honest players and really didn't block all that much.

    By Vizer October 07, 2001, 02:13 AM

    actually i don't believe that but who am i to argue

    By Snoop Dogg October 07, 2001, 02:26 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Ganja:
    LOL for real man each post of you makes me laugh so hard.
    First of all PB WILL be supported if im not mistaken thats what I read at PlantHL.
    Second of all about the cheating I can just imagine it now you on a server crying cheater at the first person that shoots u behind a box or something.I mean your saying that every server you go to there are at least 5 cheaters?
    LOFL yet again im going to tell you get your facts straight before you post things like this cause umm its makes you look like umm a moron.Cheating is a problem in CS but not the way you paint the picture.I see cheaters maybe once or twice a week and they immediatly get banned from the server do its not such a big deal to me.



    I dont think you have played recently bro...the cheating is INSANE! At night it will be fine but come around 10AM all hell breaks loose. BTW there are HUGE errors in the new code for the 1.3 version that allow for EVER SINGLE cheat to work from before including Bunny Hop with just minor changes and even cheats more powerful (in other words NEW cheats).
    www.counter-hack.net/com I think it is....they even say its pointless and that cheating is now a way of life to even get a kill.

    BTW I know someone is cheating when I see them PERFECTLY take out a group of 5 peeps by there self with perfection right in the head and chest and knowing exactly when to sneak up on someone *watch through spec mode*. They wait until someone turns around then RUSHES them so it doesn't look obvious they were waiting for them.

    By Snoop Dogg October 07, 2001, 02:31 AM

    Ohh and when I see a guy shoot 3 team mates throw a box AIMING directly toward them somehow I find that odd. This is alot of servers I mean like 5 at least on each server and about 2-3 obvious ones. I seen a guy straight up ONE MAN army take out 10 guys by picking them off one by one because he had a wallhack going on and strategically moved himself to get them in a solo position. HomeLAN is having HELL with the cheaters and innocent peeps are getting banned because of mistakes. Like me I had to email them because some ADMIN thought I was cheating with a 29/11 score and on the 29 shot I head shotted and what more the ADMIN. SO he got pissed and banned me for saying I auto shot him in the head. Its not fair and I am extremely pissed that TFC is getting even worse then CS!

    By gammaray51 October 07, 2001, 02:59 AM

    Im glad I play on a LAN. I really think the cheating thing is way overblown. It sucks when good players have to pay for not cheating. Sure there are cheaters out there, but cheats dont make someone great. Sure wall hack gives you that slight time advantage, but if you cant aim then any good player can kill you. Almost every aim bot Ive seen make crapy players mediocre, but not good players unstoppable.

    I think the worst thing that has happened to cs was when it was taken from gooseman and sold to valve. Now every n00b that gets killed by a headshot has to go cry to their mothers. Quit complaining and just enjoy the game while its still pouplar.

    By dighn October 07, 2001, 03:38 AM

    quote:Originally posted by gammaray51:
    Im glad I play on a LAN. I really think the cheating thing is way overblown. It sucks when good players have to pay for not cheating. Sure there are cheaters out there, but cheats dont make someone great. Sure wall hack gives you that slight time advantage, but if you cant aim then any good player can kill you. Almost every aim bot Ive seen make crapy players mediocre, but not good players unstoppable.

    I think the worst thing that has happened to cs was when it was taken from gooseman and sold to valve. Now every n00b that gets killed by a headshot has to go cry to their mothers. Quit complaining and just enjoy the game while its still pouplar.

    The cheats are more powerful than you think. I tried one today and damn was it good! headshots almost 90% of the time. It's unbelievable. Plus you always know where the the enemies are at. Anyway I wanted to see how well the cheat can "play" by itself so in one game all I did was buying a weapon at the beginning. I didn't move or turn the cursor at all from the initial respawn positions. And many rounds later I got 25 kills and 14 deaths. Imagine if you used the cheat strategically.

    By john drake October 07, 2001, 03:51 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Snoop Dogg:

    I dont think you have played recently bro...the cheating is INSANE! At night it will be fine but come around 10AM all hell breaks loose. BTW there are HUGE errors in the new code for the 1.3 version that allow for EVER SINGLE cheat to work from before including Bunny Hop with just minor changes and even cheats more powerful (in other words NEW cheats).
    www.counter-hack.net/com I think it is....they even say its pointless and that cheating is now a way of life to even get a kill.

    BTW I know someone is cheating when I see them PERFECTLY take out a group of 5 peeps by there self with perfection right in the head and chest and knowing exactly when to sneak up on someone *watch through spec mode*. They wait until someone turns around then RUSHES them so it doesn't look obvious they were waiting for them.

    Yes I in 1000% agreement with you man, testify bro, the Hack whores are worse now than ever . All the cheats (jump straff, bunny hop etc...) and especially the aimbot , wall and god mode hacks work way better in CS 1.3. Who was the hack whore who beta cs 1.3, its definately the most hack friendly version yet. And punk buster was almost worthless form the get go because all the hacks try there stuff on PB severs to better there hacks.

    By Scuttle October 07, 2001, 07:39 AM

    What i don't understand is how i can still bunny hop. The new features said this had neen removed, but i can still bunny hop real easy.

    By Triton October 07, 2001, 07:53 AM

    Cheating in CS? Nah, haven't this game always been clean as Bill Clinton?

    By Whíte October 07, 2001, 09:28 AM

    hehe, yup, ive seen it all now. I was on this server the other day where the host coputer was actually one where they where playing on and in the middle of the game the admin reskinned EVERYTHING, the game halted for a few seconds, downloaded a few files while saying connection interupted then flipped back and everything was whacked. All the player skins where just black, no detail and you just kept teamkilling since you didnt exactly see who's who. Of course the admin probably had a different scenario.

    I dont think ive ever seen a god mode hack though, Ive seen a lot of skin hacks and know how to do em and stop em, even in 1.3 same goes for speedcheats. I cant stop aimbots yet though, that takes a lot of console messing in the server to fix up as theres so many different variations of the damn thing.

    By clickx17 October 07, 2001, 01:04 PM

    Where I play cheating isn't really a problem because I play with people I know. Just play on the server for a long time you get to know the people and since the same people play no one cheats but if they do they get banned.

    By baklaguy October 07, 2001, 03:19 PM

    All the cheaters in the games have made a lot of admins pretty paranoid. Cheaters, along with there usual detriment to gaming, are hurting people who are good but don't cheat. I have been accused of cheating a couple of times on Punkbuster servers (my record wasn't all that great either...I was just leading my team in kills). I was even kicked once.

    By red bioroid October 07, 2001, 11:28 PM

    i suck in CS and get shot dead at once. F**k the cheats, makes me stay off the internet servers.

    By Chrisman5000 October 08, 2001, 11:47 AM

    The problem with CS are the stats servers.

    Every now and then you got those people who play CS while they refresh the stats pages to see their score. To most, it is all the have in life. They don't know what the outside world is like so they get really upset when you beat them and call you cheaters.

    Just don't play on stats servers and it's fun. fu#9porn.net has this problem, the ops that run it are pretty clueless.

    By HoldDaMayo October 08, 2001, 11:57 AM

    quote:Originally posted by RPG Junkie:
    I know dude, pisses me off, and plus if I HAD aimbot on I would be up in the hundreds, not 91 kills, you know what I mean. Same for you if you had aimbot you'd be up in the hundreds too.


    To be honest, that score is decent, but it isn't great, look at the second place guy, 41 and 9, now that's a good score. His kill death ratio is above 3:1, I wouldn't say your hacked at all.

    By clickx17 October 08, 2001, 01:12 PM

    Valve and PB should team up create a program that allows no outside programs like bots whether they be legal or not. Time to shut down the bastard cheaters and bring CS back to the good ol' days of beta 5.

    -click

    By dighn October 08, 2001, 02:57 PM

    quote:Originally posted by clickx17:
    Valve and PB should team up create a program that allows no outside programs like bots whether they be legal or not. Time to shut down the bastard cheaters and bring CS back to the good ol' days of beta 5.

    -click

    If Valve does come up with this (that's a big if ), it will be cracked. Simple as that.

    With programming experience (especially assembly), the right tools and a lot of patience one can crack almost anything.

    By baklaguy October 08, 2001, 03:07 PM

    quote:Originally posted by dighn:
    If Valve does come up with this (that's a big if ), it will be cracked. Simple as that.

    With programming experience (especially assembly), the right tools and a lot of patience one can crack almost anything.


    He's right. I know a couple guys who can hex edit their asses off.

    By RPG Junkie October 08, 2001, 08:25 PM

    quote:Originally posted by HoldDaMayo:
    To be honest, that score is decent, but it isn't great, look at the second place guy, 41 and 9, now that's a good score. His kill death ratio is above 3:1, I wouldn't say your hacked at all.

    True his kill/death ratio is PLENTY better. I just tend to go suicidal sniping, kinda stand there and then cap someone then run back behind wall, mix and repeat

    By swampy October 18, 2001, 05:18 PM

    i'll tell you the worst part about the cheating. Today i was playing CS and i started offa game in Italy going 23-0. NOw i'm a pretty good player(i usaully go 4-1 ratio or there abouts) but Ive never done anything like that before. And i definatley wasnt cheating. I was just in the right place in the right time every single round. TO make a long story short I was, of course, accused of cheating and kicked out of the game.

    Now every 13 year old who sucks at CS is McCarthy calling out the reds. The accusations have gotten way more out of hand than the actual cheating. THe fact that i could go 23 and 0 shows how random CS has become with the ever so frequent headshots.

    and how bad is the cheating? The only guy who I ever knew for sure was cheating was in TFC This guy was flying around in the air and through walls like freakin superman. It was pretty funny actually.

    I know this topin has been beaten to death but the guys who accuse cheaters annoy me way more than the people who actully cheat. Because good, legitamate players like myself are the ones getting screwed


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