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  • SharkyForums.Com - Print: Pentium3 vs AMD

    Pentium3 vs AMD
    By DoGGx23 October 31, 2000, 08:23 PM

    Hello! I am think of building a new computer and i wanted a good cpu so i need some advice. I'm looking for quality, speed and price. I've notice that an AMD chip is cheaper then Pentium 3 chips. Comparing an AMD Athlon 900mhz to a Pentium3 900 mhz, which cpu would you recommend and why?? I was thinking about getting the Athlon because of it's fast performance and great price. What is the difference between the AMD Athlon and Duron?? Which one is better?? Do anyone know where i can find mother boards that support an AMD Athlon 900mhz chip?? Thanx alot!

    By fiestared October 31, 2000, 09:26 PM

    **THIS QUESTION SHOULD INCLUDE A WARNING FROM THE SURGEON GENERAL**

    What you do with your chip and how much money you have to blow has to do with what you buy

    Money Is No Object: P3
    Most Speed For The Buck: Athlon
    On A Really Tight Budjet: Duron

    I really don't know too much about the differences between the Athlon and Duron, except that the Duron is the cheaper of the two and has different memory levels on the chip.

    By OOAgentFiruz October 31, 2000, 09:31 PM

    An Athlon 900mhz is about 0-5% slower than a P3900mhz in most games. A difference most people can't notice,however it'll overclock higher than the P3,cost less, and the motherboard,abit kt7 or asus a7v can support higher speed chips, for a better upgrade path in the future.

    By OOAgentFiruz October 31, 2000, 09:33 PM

    p3 doesn't come in 900 but 933(cost 340) will a 900t'bird cost(166)

    By Cougar October 31, 2000, 09:50 PM

    Well, since I'm an Intel fan, buy an AMD

    Ok, I think the P3 is a better CPU, but with prices like they are, why bother?

    By toonzwile November 01, 2000, 12:08 AM

    quote:Originally posted by OOAgentFiruz:
    An Athlon 900mhz is about 0-5% slower than a P3900mhz in most games.

    Where did u get those figures? if ur thinking abt Quake 3... lets see:

    the only reason Quake 3 performs better on Intel CPUs is because Quake 3 uses SSE instructions, was specifically written to use SSE and not 3DNow instructions. Im not trying to pummel on intel, Im an intel fan, but clock for clock, games run better on an Athlon core than a P3 core.

    By OOAgentFiruz November 01, 2000, 02:39 AM

    0-5 % faster : ) i'm sticking to that.

    By spanky2k November 01, 2000, 06:47 AM

    I've found that the T-Bird generally outperforms the P3. It runs cooler and is of better design than the P3. Intel produce one type of P3 chip, I think it's meant to be aimed at 800. They then test the chip and if it runs fine at higher speeds then they sell it as a higher speed and lock the multiplyer appropriately. AMD's chips are slightly differently designed to run at different speeds. That's why it's quite easy to get hold of >1Ghz AMDs although relatively difficult to get hold of 1.3 Ghz Intels, Intel probably over ever produced one or two batches of 1.3 Ghz chips. If I were you I'd get an AMD and overclock it. Definately.

    By stoo November 01, 2000, 07:29 AM

    I'd say that the Duron offers the best "Speed for Buck", but only up to a certain level of performance:
    Durons are less than 10p per MHz, but only go to 800MHz (more unofficially ), but TBirds are between 13p per Megahertz for 800MHz to 30p for the 1.1GHz and have greater performance per MHZ than Durons and a higer max. clockspeed. (prices based on quick poll of shops where I live, probably cheaper still elsewhere)

    PIII and Tbirds of the same clockspeed may be roughly equivalent depending on optimisation, but the Tbird is a lot cheaper if price is a concern.


    By Sol November 01, 2000, 07:35 AM

    It looks like the AMD chips are a little easier on your pocketbook. I got a p3 733 a few weeks ago and I am happy with it. My reason was I didnt have the money to upgrade to a new powersuply and my friend had some problems with his chip. I know a lot of people who love their AMD chips so just do a little research. good luck.

    By LordSith November 01, 2000, 10:02 AM

    I have the same issue as DoGGx23, I am looking at purchasing one or the other of these two sets:

    Asus A7V MoBo with Thunderbird 1GHz processor

    or

    Asus CUSL2 MoBo with PIII 933MHz processor

    The price difference between these two is almost $80.
    However, the CUSL2 (a Solano chipset) maxes out at 933MHz, which means there is no real way to ever upgrade that system.
    So overall the Thunderbird seems to be the cheaper and more flexible alternative to the PIII system.
    However, are there any compatibility issues? i.e. I will be getting a GeForce2 Ultra card. Will it be harder to configure on the Thunderbird system?

    _____________________________________________
    LordSith

    By major November 01, 2000, 01:58 PM

    quote:Originally posted by LordSith:
    I have the same issue as DoGGx23, I am looking at purchasing one or the other of these two sets:

    Asus A7V MoBo with Thunderbird 1GHz processor

    or

    Asus CUSL2 MoBo with PIII 933MHz processor

    The price difference between these two is almost $80.
    However, the CUSL2 (a Solano chipset) maxes out at 933MHz, which means there is no real way to ever upgrade that system.
    So overall the Thunderbird seems to be the cheaper and more flexible alternative to the PIII system.
    However, are there any compatibility issues? i.e. I will be getting a GeForce2 Ultra card. Will it be harder to configure on the Thunderbird system?

    _____________________________________________
    LordSith

    I wouldn't recommend the Asus A7V, I had one, returned it unstable (for me).
    Picked up a KT7 around same price....runs perfectly with a 1Ghz TBird.

    ~major

    By busithoth November 01, 2000, 02:04 PM

    I haven't heard about this 933 maximum speed of a CUSL2. I've had problems with the board, but found that I'm in the minority there. That speed may be listed because Intel's fastest CPU was 933 when they made it. It should be able to take a Gig PentiumIII, though, which is actually about as fast as you could possible overclock a damn Coppermine before it craps the bed on you.

    But I'd recommend the Thunderbird, specifically for the reason of it being easier to upgrade later on, man...

    By Dan November 01, 2000, 02:24 PM

    quote:Originally posted by LordSith:
    However, the CUSL2 (a Solano chipset) maxes out at 933MHz, which means there is no real way to ever upgrade that system.

    I don't know where you got that from. Even on the Asus site the specs are Coppermine 450~933+MHz. The plus after 933 means that it will support future processors. It will support at least 1.4 GHz (10.5x133).

    I just ordered a CUSL2 and PIII 700. It will replace my 500 MHz Athlon, which was fast but I like Intel setups a little better because of compatability and stability.

    By cracKrock November 01, 2000, 03:14 PM

    I was running a P3 500 on an Abit BX6 rev2 and it was stable as a rock. I got the upgrade bug a few months ago and built myself an Athlon 850 on an Abit KX133 board. I had a LOT of trouble with my Athlon system. It was not stable at all and the dang Athlon chip was really, really *H*O*T* !!! Not to mention, in Linux, my mouse cursor would randomly jump around on the screen. That bugged the hell out of me. So, I went back to my P3. From now on, I'm gonna stick with Intel. With the exception of the 1.13Ghz fiasco, Intel stuff is rock solid and compatible with *everything*.


    ...
    check out: http://www.tranzor.net

    By OOAgentFiruz November 01, 2000, 04:33 PM

    I don't know what benchmarks people are looking at but the T'bird does NOT outferform the Pentium 3 in most games(egually clocked).In fact the Pentium 3 is 0-5% faster i.e the same or a little faster in most games,the athlon is the same or a little slower in most games......Shit some you of you are just fans and not even the good cpu kind,you know the ones that spin air instead of facts.Do you know that the Athlon supports SSE : )

    That said I own an Athlon hahahaha...surprise!

    By Down8 November 01, 2000, 08:26 PM

    quote:spanky2k:I've found that the T-Bird generally outperforms the P3. It runs cooler and is of better design than the P3.
    Where are you from? All the AMD chips run hotter than PIIIs. this is an extremely well known fact.

    As for the purchase decision: I would go PIII for speeds under 800MHz, and AMD above that, as the Intel chips seemed to slip in quality when they started playing catch-up to AMD's GHz chip.

    -bZj

    By gaffo November 01, 2000, 08:45 PM

    apps are optimized entirely for the p-3 - that is why you get 0-5% faster speed in most games (plus the SSE in ONE game). But technically the Athlon is really 30-percent faster (but since no apps are optimized for it, it ends up runing at speed of p-3 ). Look at the latest Anandtech reveiw of the 760 DDR chipset benches and you'll see what i'm talking about. Excellent review on his site, and hopefully now that more of the general population has athlon at least a few optimized apps will show up! .

    By Dan November 01, 2000, 09:01 PM

    Everybody keeps going on and on about which one is better, pointing out specific benchmarks that show the lead one way or the other. The truth is, both Intel and AMD make great CPUs that allow us to do everthing from surfing the net to 3D gaming. Each one has its strong point, but neither one is superior. Those who believe either one is superior has simply jumped on one bandwagon or the other. And those on the bandwagon spit out bullshit statistics about whatever being 30% faster. Intel freaks...nah...AMD freaks...nah, I'll take the higher road, we are all freaks.

    By Arcadian November 01, 2000, 09:51 PM

    quote:Originally posted by Down8:
    Where are you from? All the AMD chips run hotter than PIIIs. this is an extremely well known fact.

    As for the purchase decision: I would go PIII for speeds under 800MHz, and AMD above that, as the Intel chips seemed to slip in quality when they started playing catch-up to AMD's GHz chip.

    -bZj

    I think you'll find all the Pentium III chips to be of top notch quality. The 1.13GHz fiasco is over, and it seems Intel is concentrating on the basics once again. Don't be afraid to buy a 1GHz Pentium III, because I have seen plenty in high availability workstations, and they run great!

    By Elxman November 01, 2000, 10:49 PM

    man why do ppl start these type of convo over and over and over again?! geez it's completely ridiculous to argue about this they're both great you own one and you're happy and that's final. oh yeah and to the moron that said AMD chips run cooler than P3's oh my god gimme some of what you're smoking.

    By DaKozMan November 02, 2000, 12:58 AM

    Im just going to say a few things.....I was an intel fan.....i had a p3 450 (back in the days when that was fast) Now i use only AMD CPU's....There are a few things you must know about them....They are not the same as the P3 and you have to know alot about them to OC them the right way....if you just slap a TB or duron in a board and try to OC it your not going to get verry far at all....sure you can raise the bus a few points but thats not even the tip of the iceburg....To really OC a bird or duron you have to break out the good old Lead pencil and connect the L1 bridges.....be carefull its really really hard and take amost 30 seconds ...i know what your thinking.... thats a good part of your day but its worth it . on average you can buy a 600 duron for about 70 bucks after shipping OC it to 900-1050 and there you go a 1gig CPU for less then it costs to take a date to a movie As for the TB's thats a totally diffrent story i have seen 750 make 1.2 and i have seen 900 barely make 1000 im not really sure what i would say is an average OC for the TB's, but about 200 is average for me....and i have done ALOT of them... anyway i havent messed with any INTEL chips in a while so im not going to say that AMD is better or wose im just going to say that my 55$ 1050 duron make me verry happy every time i goto the ATM and see i still have money left to spend on the next gen video card anyway if anyone needs help with there AMD CPU's just email me koz5779@home.com or if your looking to buy a chip that is unlocked and pretested i have a few (dozen) laying around

    By Arcadian November 02, 2000, 01:05 AM

    Just a question for DaKozMan. I couldn't help but notice that you like Durons for the price. I'm just wondering, then, how much it cost you to buy a few dozen of these, and how many of them you actually use?

    By OOAgentFiruz November 02, 2000, 02:01 AM

    I was going to say something but I changed by mind,hopefully this topic closes.

    By Buster_H November 02, 2000, 05:56 AM

    quote:Originally posted by cracKrock:
    I got the upgrade bug a few months ago and built myself an Athlon 850 on an Abit KX133 board. I had a LOT of trouble with my Athlon system. It was not stable at...

    That would be the KX133 chipset. I think you'll find the KT133 is much stabler.

    By DoGGx23 November 02, 2000, 10:50 AM

    Will My duron chip 700 mhz be stable on a Gigabyte GA-7zx-1 Motherboard?


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